Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by FrothByte
This actually supports my point: That Ozy is pretty lacking in knockout power. If he can't take out an old, drunk Comedian with all the hits he landed on him, how does the pro-Ozy team think Ozy can take out Bucky hmmm?

It actually shows the opposite. It proves they had beyond human durability, not some fairytale story you're trying to spin. If you see a guy punch somebody 10 feet.. and yet the guy gets up... you don't go.. why that guy punches like a girl; especially when you've never in your life seen somebody send somebody flying like that. Only when in clownshoes mode does one go.. what a weaker hitter LOL

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
So if i can dodge a bullet from 6 feet away. I couldn't dodge 3 tennis balls being tossed my way... wha? 😆

Thats like me saying that a top tier middle weight class boxer would beat a top tier heavy weight boxer just because the middle weight boxer is faster than the heavy weight. The heavy weight boxer would win every time.
The speed differences between Bucky and Ozy are not that big. And this is me giving Ozy more credit speed wise than I should.
They both reacted to bullets.

Anyhow Bucky wins this. Just like a heavy weight boxer would KO a faster middle wight boxer in no time.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It actually shows the opposite. It proves they had beyond human durability, not some fairytale story you're trying to spin. If you see a guy punch somebody 10 feet.. and yet the guy gets up... you don't go.. why that guy punches like a girl; especially when you've never in your life seen somebody send somebody flying like that. Only when in clownshoes mode does one go.. what a weaker hitter LOL

Well then we can apply the same logic for Bucky. Bucky getting hit (and his hits getting blocked) by the likes of BW and Sharon Carter is proof that BW and Sharon Carter have beyond human speed, reflexes and strength/durability. Not proof that Bucky is slow or weak.

I love how Ozy has sends people flying from punches, kicks and throws casually while doing a monologue. While WS does comparable things while bloodlusted; and somehow, some way this makes Bucky look better and with more striking power? It's simply laughable now.

Bucky is confirmed not to be in his right state of mind and bloodlusted, and yet BW can block him and parry him, Agent 13 can land blows, IM can parry that same OMGZORZ arm.. yet it's too much for Ozy... Right. Funny how people go wow Bucky is so badass he almost killed BW.. Odd, as strong as Bucky is, he should've been able to so easily. Yet he didn't. Others he didn't know weren't turned into paste when hit. Again while bloodlusted. The hypocrisy going on here is hilarious. Yet Ozy, is casually strolling through scenes, talking, joking, smirking, laughing and sending people just as far or further... yet that equals Bucky being superior here LMAO. This is simply atrocious line of logic trying to be peddled here.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I love how Ozy has sends people flying from punches, kicks and throws casually while doing a monologue. While WS does comparable things while bloodlusted; and somehow, some way this makes Bucky look better and with more striking power? It's simply laughable now.

Bucky is confirmed not to be in his right state of mind and bloodlusted, and yet BW can block him and parry him, Agent 13 can land blows, IM can parry that same OMGZORZ arm.. yet it's too much for Ozy... Right. Funny how people go wow Bucky is so badass he almost killed BW.. Odd, as strong as Bucky is, he should've been able to so easily. Yet he didn't. Others he didn't know weren't turned into paste when hit. Again while bloodlusted. The hypocrisy going on here is hilarious. Yet Ozy, is casually strolling through scenes, talking, joking, smirking, laughing and sending people just as far or further... yet that equals Bucky being superior here LMAO. This is simply atrocious line of logic trying to be peddled here.

Guess you just happened to ignore my last post...

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well then we can apply the same logic for Bucky. Bucky getting hit (and his hits getting blocked) by the likes of BW and Sharon Carter is proof that BW and Sharon Carter have beyond human speed, reflexes and strength/durability. Not proof that Bucky is slow or weak.

No problem. Ozy is above them in every way. Then what? That is exactly the point. Skill is what allows them to do that. Obviously they have awesome speed as well. After all, they are supposed to be badass for Christ sake. Nobody is saying they aren't, that is the point, they are skilled and better than the average human in some areas no doubt. So? That's the entire point here.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Guess you just happened to ignore my last post...

Nope. Answer me this question, which looks better:

1. Sending people flying with kicks, punches and throws while bloodlusted

or

2. Sending people flying comparable distances, but doing so while joking, talking, laughing, smirking and like your going for a stroll in the park

Honestly Froth, which seems superior? You know we've gone over the feats before, and Ozy has comparable striking feats and throwing feats... So explain to me, how that can be superior?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Guess you just happened to ignore my last post...

Speaking of not answering... don't think I didn't notice you not addressing punching 4 times or even 50 to the speed Ozy displayed LOL. Even if we water the feat down to a measureable point, to even think 4 punches would be too much is hilarious

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope. Answer me this question, which looks better:

1. Sending people flying with kicks, punches and throws while bloodlusted

or

2. Sending people flying comparable distances, but doing so while joking, talking, laughing, smirking and like your going for a stroll in the park

Honestly Froth, which seems superior? You know we've gone over the feats before, and Ozy has comparable striking feats and throwing feats... So explain to me, how that can be superior?

I'll answer your question when you address my last post. If we assume Ozy not knocking out his opponents is a sign of their durability then do we assume that Bucky's hits getting blocked by his opponents is also a sign of his opponents' speed, reflexes and durability?

[QUOTE=15743141]Originally posted by Inhuman
Thats like me saying that a top tier middle weight class boxer would beat a top tier heavy weight boxer just because the middle weight boxer is faster than the heavy weight. The heavy weight boxer would win every time.
The speed differences between Bucky and Ozy are not that big. And this is me giving Ozy more credit speed wise than I should.
They both reacted to bullets.

Anyhow Bucky wins this. Just like a heavy weight boxer would KO a faster middle wight boxer in no time. [/QUOTE

Terrible analogy. Terrible. The more appropriate one would be, a middle weight who is exponentially faster than the HW. Yes, he'd win every time and easily. He's THAT much faster. Shit, we could even say that same MW was hitting as hard, since ya know, Ozy's striking feats against people are very favorable. In fact, one might say Ozy has sent people flying further. So where is your analogy then? We don't even need that, the MW could be significantly weaker and still win a wide UD or KO. It would be like Jones Jr. vs. Ruiz but 10 times worse

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'll answer your question when you address my last post. If we assume Ozy not knocking out his opponents is a sign of their durability then do we assume that Bucky's hits getting blocked by his opponents is also a sign of his opponents' speed, reflexes and durability?

I love this little game you play. Learn to scroll bud, already answered this question. Just read. Never mind the fact that you dodged questions of mine previous to that. Why don't you address those?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'll answer your question when you address my last post. If we assume Ozy not knocking out his opponents is a sign of their durability then do we assume that Bucky's hits getting blocked by his opponents is also a sign of his opponents' speed, reflexes and durability?

No because people arent objectively strong/durable
Whereas people are objectively fast...boom suck it

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The more appropriate one would be, a middle weight who is exponentially faster than the HW.

Ozy is not that much faster than Bucky.(and thats me giving Ozy way too much actual fighting speed credit).
They were both able to react to bullets. Their speed is comparable. Its not too far off. Even if one is faster than the other.
And Ozy looks SLOW in his fights.

Also I said both are top tier. LOL @ you using a light heavy weight vs a heavy weight. Thats not what I said. Ozy is a middle weight or lower in power compared to Bucky Power.

Originally posted by Inhuman
But Ozy is not that much faster than Bucky.(and thats me giving Ozy way too much actual fighting speed credit).
They were both able to react to bullets. Their speed is comparable. Its not too far off. Even if one is faster than the other.

No buck blocked a bullet
Ozy caught it... very different

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No problem. Ozy is above them in every way. Then what? That is exactly the point. Skill is what allows them to do that. Obviously they have awesome speed as well. After all, they are supposed to be badass for Christ sake. Nobody is saying they aren't, that is the point, they are skilled and better than the average human in some areas no doubt. So? That's the entire point here.

Ok found it.

So Ozy is above BW and Sharon. But then Bucky is also above Comedian, NO and Rosch.

What happens now? We still end up with the scenario that Ozy can't knock out his opponents and that WS gets hit. So what that means is that Ozy will block/dodge a lot of WS's hits (I don't agree but for the sake of argument let's say he does) but then won't be able to put down Bucky. In the end Bucky wins unless you can prove that Ozy can block repeated blows from someone as strong as Bucky without tiring out.

As for your 2 options, option 2 would have been more impressive if not for the fact that you failed to mention how fast Option 1 defeated his opponents.

How fast ozy did anything to his opponents is irrelevant because he treated them like toys...

He showed hes fast enough to catch a bullet...explaining why he could easily toy with two superhuman men...
Buck however hasn't shown that

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok found it.

So Ozy is above BW and Sharon. But then Bucky is also above Comedian, NO and Rosch.

What happens now? We still end up with the scenario that Ozy can't knock out his opponents and that WS gets hit. So what that means is that Ozy will block/dodge a lot of WS's hits (I don't agree but for the sake of argument let's say he does) but then won't be able to put down Bucky. In the end Bucky wins unless you can prove that Ozy can block repeated blows from someone as strong as Bucky without tiring out.

As for your 2 options, option 2 would have been more impressive if not for the fact that you failed to mention how fast Option 1 defeated his opponents.

Only he will be able to, cause you know, Bucky was affected by punches. We saw him hit and be stunned. He's not invulnerable. Shit, we've seen him choked out. He's been hurt and can be hurt. He's tough no doubt, but I'm not sure why you think he can't hurt Bucky... Somebody who can send people flying with their blows is goings to be able to hurt Bucky. Not sure why you think otherwise

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
he could easily toy with two superhuman men...

Ozy never fought any "superhuman" men.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thats like me saying that a top tier middle weight class boxer would beat a top tier heavy weight boxer just because the middle weight boxer is faster than the heavy weight. The heavy weight boxer would win every time.
The speed differences between Bucky and Ozy are not that big. And this is me giving Ozy more credit speed wise than I should.
They both reacted to bullets.

Anyhow Bucky wins this. Just like a heavy weight boxer would KO a faster middle wight boxer in no time.

If said middleweight could catch bullets he have a clear speed advantage wouldn't you think 😐

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
If said middleweight could catch bullets he have a clear speed advantage wouldn't you think 😐