Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by KingD19
His opponents weren't anything special though. That's a point Ozy's defense seems to be neglecting to take into account. Take Cap for instance. If he had been as uncaring about people as Ozy was, he would have killed Batroc in one hit. He would kill everyone under his own level in a hit or two. Not beat them up. Murder them. And I don't know if it speaks more for their own durability or Ozy's lack of strength, but NO, Comedian(in his bath robe and piss drunk) and Rorscharch kept coming at him for quite a while and took a ton of hits. He didn't even put any of them down. He threw Comedian out a window, and Rorscharch and Nite-Owl were seemingly completely fine before his tigers showed up. They just casually followed him up the stairs.

Also gonna point out again. Outfighting a guy who can't dodge a slow as* chair lobbed through the air at him isn't really impressive.

This actually supports my point: That Ozy is pretty lacking in knockout power. If he can't take out an old, drunk Comedian with all the hits he landed on him, how does the pro-Ozy team think Ozy can take out Bucky hmmm?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ozy didn't "toy" with Comedian though. He was there to kill Comedian and yet was unable to do so quickly. Sure he didn't get hit, but then again Comedian, Rosch and NO are all below Ozy's stats. All below Bucky's stats.

So there is no proof that Ozy can avoid all of Bucky's hits simply because he's never gone up against an opponent as strong and as fast as Bucky is.

He was hesitant about what he was doing obviously.
He chose not to use the gun he took from comedian
Nor did he use the knife he caught mid air.

Like i said... toying.

Buck hits nothing but air until ozy tires

Originally posted by FrothByte
This actually supports my point: That Ozy is pretty lacking in knockout power. If he can't take out an old, drunk Comedian with all the hits he landed on him, how does the pro-Ozy team think Ozy can take out Bucky hmmm?

He couldn't take out Comedian, or Ror and Nite-Owl. The only guy he convincingly beat down for real was the bank robber.

Seriously, when Rorscharch finally took off his mask, he only had a few splotches.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
He was hesitant about what he was doing obviously.
He chose not to use the gun he took from comedian
Nor did he use the knife he caught mid air.

Like i said... toying.

Buck hits nothing but air until ozy tires

He wasn't toying with him. He threw him out the window for a reason.

Originally posted by KingD19
He wasn't toying with him. He threw him out the window for a reason.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
He clearly was toying considering he didn't use the gun or knife...did you miss that?

No I get what you meant. I'm just saying you're not correct. He wanted to kill him a specific way. If he chopped his neck or shot him, it'd just look like a random house invader got the drop on him because he was drunk, or just got lucky because they got his weapon. Instead Ozy threw him through bulletproof glass from 50 stories up. He sent a message by killing Comedian that way. Because everyone was like, "OMG, just who could kill Comedian?! Even old and drunk he was a badass among badasses!! Who could throw him through resistant glass?! Etc...

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
He was hesitant about what he was doing obviously.
He chose not to use the gun he took from comedian
Nor did he use the knife he caught mid air.

Like i said... toying.

Buck hits nothing but air until ozy tires

Or it could be that Ozy wanted to give Comedian a fair fight. Or it could be that Ozy doesn't like guns and knives. We never see him use any after all. That doesn't mean he was pulling his punches. At the end of the day, Ozy still never knocked anyone out.

Like I said, prove to me that Ozy is fast enough and skilled enough to dodge someone of Bucky's caliber or that he's strong enough to block hits from someone of Bucky's strength?

Because Bucky at least has feats going up against Superhumans. Ozy has none.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Or it could be that Ozy wanted to give Comedian a fair fight. Or it could be that Ozy doesn't like guns and knives. We never see him use any after all. That doesn't mean he was pulling his punches. At the end of the day, Ozy still never knocked anyone out.

Like I said, prove to me that Ozy is fast enough and skilled enough to dodge someone of Bucky's caliber or that he's strong enough to block hits from someone of Bucky's strength?

Because Bucky at least has feats going up against Superhumans. Ozy has none.

Are bucky punches faster than a bullet? No
Can buck play fight 2 humans and not be touched?
Even slow ass alcoholic tony was fast enough to react to buck.

Ozy can catch a bullet... pretty sure he can slip and bob buck for a while...

WS wins at least 10/10.

Has Ozy's d*ck fallen off yet? I mean that much wanking should have just made it disintegrate right?

Originally posted by KingD19
Has Ozy's d*ck fallen off yet? I mean that much wanking should have just made it disintegrate right?

Because I'm saying he can duck a punch?

Yeah im the dickrider

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Are bucky punches faster than a bullet? No
Can buck play fight 2 humans and not be touched?
Even slow ass alcoholic tony was fast enough to react to buck.

Ozy can catch a bullet... pretty sure he can slip and bob buck for a while...

Is Bucky only throwing 1 punch at a time? Did Ozy block multiple bullets? Was Ozy able to immediately recover after blocking 1 bullet?

No?

Then your analogy is flawed. I have no doubt that Ozy can block and dodge some of Bucky's hits. But for you to conclude that he can evade majority of Bucky's hits would mean you have to provide proof of Ozy blocking/evading multiple hits from someone or something of similar stats to Bucky.

Originally posted by KingD19
Has Ozy's d*ck fallen off yet? I mean that much wanking should have just made it disintegrate right?

Notice how they keep claiming Ozy can fight at bullet-time speeds and yet neither one of them have ever been able to post a clip of him fighting at that speed?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Is Bucky only throwing 1 punch at a time? Did Ozy block multiple bullets? Was Ozy able to immediately recover after blocking 1 bullet?

No?

Then your analogy is flawed. I have no doubt that Ozy can block and dodge some of Bucky's hits. But for you to conclude that he can evade majority of Bucky's hits would mean you have to provide proof of Ozy blocking/evading multiple hits from someone or something of similar stats to Bucky.

Doesn't really matter none off bucks punches will ve moving fast enough.

Unless you're saying multiple punches can compensate for the lack of speed required to even hit ozy... but i know you're not that slow

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Doesn't really matter none off bucks punches will ve moving fast enough.

Unless you're saying multiple punches can compensate for the lack of speed required to even hit ozy... but i know you're not that slow

Common sense dictates that the more objects coming at you then the harder it becomes to evade them. What I'm saying is that Ozy isn't fast enough to evade majority of Bucky's hits.

Unless you're trying to paint Ozy as some kind of speedster. Is that your stance? That Ozy is some kind of bullet timer and that he can move in superspeed?

Because if that's so, why'd he even bother to block Comedian's hits? Why not just evade all of them. Why did we see his punches and kicks? If he was as fast as you seem to think shouldn't his punches and kicks be nothing but blurs?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ozy didn't "toy" with Comedian though. He was there to kill Comedian and yet was unable to do so quickly. Sure he didn't get hit, but then again Comedian, Rosch and NO are all below Ozy's stats. All below Bucky's stats.

So there is no proof that Ozy can avoid all of Bucky's hits simply because he's never gone up against an opponent as strong and as fast as Bucky is.

Your last post was better, this one not so much Froth. I'll address the other one in a second. Didn't toy with him? Did you miss the part where he was so was and quick a decorated expert solider couldn't even track his movement... while being spotted a 20 foot space to start? Then get right next to him and take the gun away before he even knew wtf happened... Yet just chucked the gun instead of killing him? You mean like when he casually caught the knife throw and didn't throw it back or use then? Then decides to evade close range knife attacks when that also wasn't needed.. again nothing lands.. then reverses the position and again doesn't stab comedian... That isn't playing around? Okay....

Originally posted by FrothByte
Common sense dictates that the more objects coming at you then the harder it becomes to evade them. What I'm saying is that Ozy isn't fast enough to evade majority of Bucky's hits.

Unless you're trying to paint Ozy as some kind of speedster. Is that your stance? That Ozy is some kind of bullet timer and that he can move in superspeed?

Because if that's so, why'd he even bother to block Comedian's hits? Why not just evade all of them. Why did we see his punches and kicks? If he was as fast as you seem to think shouldn't his punches and kicks be nothing but blurs?

So if i can dodge a bullet from 6 feet away. I couldn't dodge 3 tennis balls being tossed my way... wha? 😆

Originally posted by FrothByte
Common sense dictates that the more objects coming at you then the harder it becomes to evade them. What I'm saying is that Ozy isn't fast enough to evade majority of Bucky's hits.

Unless you're trying to paint Ozy as some kind of speedster. Is that your stance? That Ozy is some kind of bullet timer and that he can move in superspeed?

Because if that's so, why'd he even bother to block Comedian's hits? Why not just evade all of them. Why did we see his punches and kicks? If he was as fast as you seem to think shouldn't his punches and kicks be nothing but blurs?

You realize that they're just trolling, right?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Is Bucky only throwing 1 punch at a time? Did Ozy block multiple bullets? Was Ozy able to immediately recover after blocking 1 bullet?

No?

Then your analogy is flawed. I have no doubt that Ozy can block and dodge some of Bucky's hits. But for you to conclude that he can evade majority of Bucky's hits would mean you have to provide proof of Ozy blocking/evading multiple hits from someone or something of similar stats to Bucky.

This is getting silly now Froth, it's getting worse and worse, and you did so well. Do you know how fast your speed is to react AFTER a gun in fired and still move your arm fast enough to catch it? You think Bucky punches 3 times in that speed... 4? LMAO... That would be nothing at that speed. You don't think he could block multiple punches or dodge them if he can react at that speed? That is just crazy talk. I don't think you understand the speed at work here, Bucky's punches are exponentially slower, and I mean that. It's like claiming Superman can't punch somebody 100 times in a second cause it wasn't displayed.. when he has speed feats that suggest he could punch 10000 times that many.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't think Ozy was ever hit when fighting non-superhumans. Bucky however does get hit, as his fight against BW and Agent 13 showed.

However, it should be noted that Bucky takes out all of his non-superhuman opponents far faster than Ozy took out his. We can say he was somewhat toying with Rosch and NO but that excuse doesn't work with his fight against Comedian... and Comedian was a single opponent.

What does this tell us? Ozy's defense is awesome but he seems to he lacking in offense. On the other hand, Bucky's defense does seem to need a bit of work but his offense is awesome. But then again, Bucky's durability is high enough that he can afford to eat shots.

In the end, it all boils down to the fact that Ozy doesn't really have amy h2h feats to compare to Bucky's. We can debate about guns and bullets all day long but that won't matter squat here because it's a h2h match.

This was a good post.. then it went downhill.