Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Black Adam rips Aquamans Head off and Kills Namor with a single Punch.
Dont be silly that's not happening considering Titus, Amazo, Despero haven't done such things to him. Considering Namor has taken hits from stronger that's not happening as well. I really don't get this, is it some type of popularity contest where feats are invalid in favor for the more liked character?
Aquaman drops him with TP
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The difference is Aquaman has feats of actually Dodging cloud to ground lightning with a cloud just above his head, being stated to have incredible reaction time, and so on.Like I said already if the game is pick a continuity in terms of speed feats there's the Pre-Crisis version which adding on would shit on Teth in terms of speed.
Where as when Street level characters are said to be that fast there hasn't been anything to prove whereas we have history with Aquaman.
I could simply use the fact that were using one scan of Teth as my counter but I think the rest I've posted already says volumes if you need scans I'll be glad to scan blast this topic.
I was going by purely post 52, and not just because I haven't read Pre-Crisis DC (I have so little interest in any of it bar PC GL).
I won't argue PC because I've only read a handful of issues. Post Crisis, I would argue he isn't as fast as Adam.
New 52, Arthur doesn't have the benefit of how DC would see him the way they would Adam. And his speed-feats, at least in terms of reflexes, are few and far between that I've seen at least.
Not saying he'd be a blur to Aquaman post crisis or new 52, just fast enough that when you combine it with being stronger and tougher, it would eventually tell.
Originally posted by basilisk
Things like "lightning fast", "quicker than greased lightning", "moved like lightning", "lightning reflexes" etc are just common idioms in the english language. I don't think it is supposed to mean someone like Aquaman is literally able to move at a third or a 100th the speed of light or whatever. If someone in the DC universe says something is "quick as a flash" I don't think they literally mean quick as a Flash.I've always thought Adam would be much faster than these two and combined with his strength, flight, and durability he would get the win here.
Pretty much @ sayings.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I was going by purely post 52, and not just because I haven't read Pre-Crisis DC (I have so little interest in any of it bar PC GL).I won't argue PC because I've only read a handful of issues. Post Crisis, I would argue he isn't as fast as Adam.
New 52, Arthur doesn't have the benefit of how DC would see him the way they would Adam. And his speed-feats, at least in terms of reflexes, are few and far between that I've seen at least.
Not saying he'd be a blur to Aquaman post crisis or new 52, just fast enough that when you combine it with being stronger and tougher, it would eventually tell.
Pretty much @ sayings.
What are these many speed feats is what I'm questioning?
I understand why it's hard for some to understand travel compared to reaction. But my point is I don't see anything so far from Teth's side that suggest Aquaman can't react. Reacting is actively acting on something being able to respond to something and my case is he can respond to something moving towards him really fast.
In terms of strength Id agree with anyone suggesting Teth is stronger then both of them here based on consistent feats, statements like he ends this with one shot, or anything likewise is a stretch of the imagination though.
In terms of speed though I'm honestly still waiting on why it's believed Aquaman can't simply react to an oncoming Teth. Where Teth's best feat is keeping pace with a speedster and Aquaman's is reacting to a oncoming speedster or keeping up with Speedsters and that's if we're being generous with both and assuming their moving at consistent speeds.
It's really the Jay Garrick stuff. Aquaman has quick enough reflexes yes, but he doesn't have the mobility Adam does.
And even if I thought Arthur was on his level reactions wise, I still think Adam is stronger.
I don't know who'd win the fight, but if it was just Aquaman and Adam, I'd pick Adam every time.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It's really the Jay Garrick stuff. Aquaman has quick enough reflexes yes, but he doesn't have the mobility Adam does.And even if I thought Arthur was on his level reactions wise, I still think Adam is stronger.
I don't know who'd win the fight, but if it was just Aquaman and Adam, I'd pick Adam every time.
So one scan and we're to say that's enough whereas Aquaman doesn't have enough feats to put him on that level by saying of words? Sure Adam is shown with better mobility on land all that says to me is he can move around Aquaman pretty fast, it doesn't suggest to me that Aquaman still can't react to him if he comes at him.
Aquaman doesn't really have to fight him physically though he could drop him with tp if we're using PC feats.
Just seems a bit double standard to me.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
So one scan and we're to say that's enough whereas Aquaman doesn't have enough feats to put him on that level by saying of words? Sure Adam is shown with better mobility on land all that says to me is he can move around Aquaman pretty fast, it doesn't suggest to me that Aquaman still can't react to him if he comes at him.Aquaman doesn't really have to fight him physically though he could drop him with tp if we're using PC feats.
Just seems a bit double standard to me.
You can think that if you want. Not gonna argue it, really. I have no problem with anyone arguing that Aquaman could react to him, in fact, if they fought in a comic, I would expect them to show them reacting to each other pretty evenly.
I still don't think Arthur can take him, though.
I'm not gonna argue PC, because like I said I've only owned/read a few issues. I actually only own one, which is Adventure Comics 452, so PC really isn't my thing. Post Crisis, sure, telepathy would most likely work. Water Hand too if he has it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You can think that if you want. Not gonna argue it, really. I have no problem with anyone arguing that Aquaman could react to him, in fact, if they fought in a comic, I would expect them to show them reacting to each other pretty evenly.I still don't think Arthur can take him, though.
I'm not gonna argue PC, because like I said I've only owned/read a few issues. I actually only own one, which is Adventure Comics 452, so PC really isn't my thing. Post Crisis, sure, telepathy would most likely work. Water Hand too if he has it.
K I guess it's best to leave it at that then since I don't see us changing are stances.
It's funny that you bring up Water Hand since he lost it in WW3 a Black Adam story before any chance to confront him I wonder if that was intentional for it to happen before the end confrontation.
I will say if this is strictly a physical bout between Post-Crisis versions of the character I see Teth winning and that's on feats of him being shown to brawl with stronger and have the edge. I just don't agree with the notion that Aquaman or Namor is helplessly outclassed or that Aquaman can't react.
But I will leave it at that in terms of us debating about it any further.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
K I guess it's best to leave it at that then since I don't see us changing are stances.It's funny that you bring up Water Hand since he lost it in WW3 a Black Adam story before any chance to confront him I wonder if that was intentional for it to happen before the end confrontation.
I will say if this is strictly a physical bout between Post-Crisis versions of the character I see Teth winning and that's on feats of him being shown to brawl with stronger and have the edge. I just don't agree with the notion that Aquaman or Namor is helplessly outclassed or that Aquaman can't react.
But I will leave it at that in terms of us debating about it any further.
TBH I kinda dislike the period after he got the water hand and his inevitable "death" which was never really explained to my personal satisfaction. I'm sure some people like it, and that's fine, it just really wasn't what I was in to.
I'm really glad Geoff Johns got a hold of the character when he did.
Originally posted by EcstaticGraceWhy would reactions or tp matter? Adam's speed is higher and his head turned Martian Manhunter into a potato.
Yet I won't see why or get counters for stuff like reaction and tp.. cheers on that I guess. "Comic Book 'Popularity' Forum"
Adam has beaten teams of people equal or higher than Aquaman in higher numbers. He's knocked out people more durable and stronger. He's torn apart people higher than Aquaman. One of his last showings preflash had him beating up Billy with Shazam's power and stomping a team that consisted of people borrowing powers from him, Alan Scott, Power Girl, and Atom Smasher in a weakened state.
Aquaman dies forever.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Why would reactions or tp matter? Adam's speed is higher and his head turned Martian Manhunter into a potato.Adam has beaten teams of people equal or higher than Aquaman in higher numbers. He's knocked out people more durable and stronger. He's torn apart people higher than Aquaman. One of his last showings preflash had him beating up Billy with Shazam's power and stomping a team that consisted of people borrowing powers from him, Alan Scott, Power Girl, and Atom Smasher in a weakened state.
Aquaman dies forever.
To be fair, J'onn freaking out because of someone's mind is like Superman wearing a cape. Just something you expect when you pick up a comic.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Why would reactions or tp matter? Adam's speed is higher and his head turned Martian Manhunter into a potato.Adam has beaten teams of people equal or higher than Aquaman in higher numbers. He's knocked out people more durable and stronger. He's torn apart people higher than Aquaman. One of his last showings preflash had him beating up Billy with Shazam's power and stomping a team that consisted of people borrowing powers from him, Alan Scott, Power Girl, and Atom Smasher in a weakened state.
Aquaman dies forever.
First the whole reason Aquaman took out a White Martian with TP is he attacked it in another part of its brain it wasn't area where a TP battle or probe could of took place which has to do with the conscious which is in the Frontal Lobe, Aquaman attacked the Basal Ganglia which is connected to the bodies nerves which is why he gave a White Martian a Seizure so it goes past typical tp it's not really something you can really out tp I'm not sure if Morrison intended that when he had Aquaman do that.
The speed thing honestly hasn't been shown in anyways that's true... travel wise on land? Sure but let's assume Teth speeds his way to Aquaman, he has the feats to suggest he can react.
The team thing is nice. Post-Crisis Aquaman has out muscled a All-Knowing something that physically beat Powergirl in the same arc. Killed Timmorn something giving Aquaman, Sentinel (Alan Scott) and Jay trouble, traded blows with Despero in Crisis on Conscience ironically written by Johns, Consistently beat up Triton a guy able to subdue a young Diana and beat on a young Arthur. Took a sustained blast from Starro same book was shown to one shot Orion in space. Fell from Orbit at speeds faster then thought. Ragdolled around by Amazo and was fine, has been able to hurt Amazo. Able to impress Titus as well. I agree Pre-Flashpoint Adam is stronger but I don't see it as a stomp on any regard. I don't think he puts him down in a few Punches at all. Aquaman has taken worse from repetitive team busters he just doesn't get the writer hot seat often and pretty much Johns has treated him pretty highly in terms of being a powerhouse.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/aquaman/4005-2357/forums/arthur-curry-aka-aquaman-composite-respect-thread-1774986/
WW3 hinged on the idea that Black Adam with no restraints is capable of doing everything he was doing because others weren't as ruthless and willing to hold back to compete with him. I saw it as plot. In the end of the day Martian Manhunter tpd him.
Aquaman's also is more consistently ruthless then J'onn atleast Pre-Flashpoint
J'onn is consistently the better telepath but Post-Crisis it was stated to be growing over time in terms of telepathy.
Ancient Atlanteans in reference to next link
Telepathically battles Kordax