Aquaman, Namor vs Black Adam

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's if you are blatantly lowballing. They were moving fast enough that people around them seemed like statues.

The point was the speed which you are blatantly not addressing. Classic smokescreen here.

Pretty sure Jay has survived hits from top tier bricks. Speedforce....

Moving fast enough that humans can't see you is nice but Aquaman's perception is better then that. Think of it as lowballing if you like but it's difficult for Teth to get a hit on Jay and that scan doesn't support his capability to fight speedsters.

Nonetheless I'm not suggesting Teth cant attack at Super speed whether it's consistent though is one thing but regardless Aquaman can react just the same, and scans show that.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman has showings to Reflexively react to speedsters and just the same has been compared to as lightning I don't see Teth using speed to be to big of a problem if we're also including Pre52 showings. Hell Pre52 Aquaman dropped a speedster by the name of Zum

Lightning is 1/3 the speed of light, I have a hard time picturing Aquaman or Namor being able to contend with that level of speed even though neither of them are particularly slow.

I've seen that scan of Aquaman moving at 10,000-20,000 feet per second in water. You did show a scan of him stating he's faster on land (not sure if that's entirely accurate or not)

But assuming he can move at 20,000 feet per second on land, Black Adam would still be 16,300x faster than Aquaman

There are also other feats of both Jay and Adam running at nearly the speed of light and Jay steals some of Adam's speed in order to get himself over the speed of light. They move and run at crazy high speeds. They fight each other at crazy speeds.

They just operate on a much higher level, friggin Aquaman is not tagging him. It is one thing to suggest he wouldn't use his speed, but to suggest even if he used it still wouldn't matter is..weird.

I like this version of Aquaman, I don't think he gets enough respect, but he's way out of his league here. Heck Namor is a good deal above Aquaman in nearly every way, and even he is screwed here.

I just wonder if Namor and Black Adam are just going to look at each other and go..hmm, that dude looks suspiciously familiar.

EDIT: Also DC needs to give Black Adam a child sidekick named "Chest Lightning".

[QUOTE=15679558]Originally posted by RadZoa
Lightning is 1/3 the speed of light, I have a hard time picturing Aquaman or Namor being able to contend with that level of speed even though neither of them are particularly slow.

I've seen that scan of Aquaman moving at 10,000-20,000 feet per second in water. You did show a scan of him stating he's faster on land (not sure if that's entirely accurate or not)

But assuming he can move at 20,000 feet per second on land, Black Adam would still be 16,300x faster than Aquaman [/QUOTE

There's also a scan of him Dodging lightning up close from multiple demons or suggested to be lightning fast on land.]

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
[QUOTE=15679558]Originally posted by RadZoa
[B]Lightning is 1/3 the speed of light, I have a hard time picturing Aquaman or Namor being able to contend with that level of speed even though neither of them are particularly slow.

I've seen that scan of Aquaman moving at 10,000-20,000 feet per second in water. You did show a scan of him stating he's faster on land (not sure if that's entirely accurate or not)

But assuming he can move at 20,000 feet per second on land, Black Adam would still be 16,300x faster than Aquaman [/QUOTE

There's also a scan of him Dodging lightning up close from multiple demons or suggested to be lightning fast on land.] [/B]

I've yet to see these scans so I'm sorry if I'm a bit skeptical.

Aquaman's dodged multiple strands of lightning both Pre-Crisis and Pre-Flashpoint.

Saying they were moving like "lightning" wasn't intended to specifically say "they are moving at the exact speed lightning does". Since first of all the speed of actual lightning varies depending on environmental variables.

Lightning in fiction doesn't actually always move at the speeds it should. Otherwise the friggin characters from the avatar cartoons have high end super speed reflexes.

So seeing that and then going "oh someone shot lightning at Aquaman once and he dodged it" still doesn't mean he can fight at super speed.

Originally posted by Surtur
Saying they were moving like "lightning" wasn't intended to specifically say "they are moving at the exact speed lightning does". Since first of all the speed of actual lightning varies depending on environmental variables.

Lightning in fiction doesn't actually always move at the speeds it should. Otherwise the friggin characters from the avatar cartoons have high end super speed reflexes.

So seeing that and then going "oh someone shot lightning at Aquaman once and he dodged it" still doesn't mean he can fight at super speed.

Lightning is what falls out from clouds. Electricity is what's generated by Avatar characters and characters like Static.

Aquaman's reflexes have been said to be lightning fast so I don't get how that's being continously skipped over.
and if we're playing choose your own continuity it gets better then that.

It's skipped over because he doesn't actually have the feats to support it.

Let me keep this real simple: Aquaman is not a speedster, nor can he react to people with high end super speed. He just plain can't. It's a sad state of affairs when we've had to spend pages arguing about the speed of friggin Aquaman, when he has nowhere near enough speed, wtf are we even talking about? Why is this even going on?

For his fight though he will tag Bladam.

Btw, is this pre or post flashpoint?

I think it was current, but the comment was made that even the version I'm using doesn't have a speed advantage which is..strange.

Ah current versions.. He'll definitely get tagged then.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's skipped over because he doesn't actually have the feats to support it.

Let me keep this real simple: Aquaman is not a speedster, nor can he react to people with high end super speed. He just plain can't. It's a sad state of affairs when we've had to spend pages arguing about the speed of friggin Aquaman, when he has nowhere near enough speed, wtf are we even talking about? Why is this even going on?

If your constant excuse is being Black Adam is suggesting to be able to move as fast as Lightning based on Narration...

Second scan here.

http://m.imgur.com/a/vPvnu

"Muscles move with lightning speed in thin air" he has more reaction and speed feats then that but you seem to be ignoring them maybe? So you can suggest Tether wins?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I've yet to see these scans so I'm sorry if I'm a bit skeptical.

Aquaman's dodged multiple strands of lightning both Pre-Crisis and Pre-Flashpoint.

Originally posted by Surtur
Saying they were moving like "lightning" wasn't intended to specifically say "they are moving at the exact speed lightning does". Since first of all the speed of actual lightning varies depending on environmental variables.

Lightning in fiction doesn't actually always move at the speeds it should. Otherwise the friggin characters from the avatar cartoons have high end super speed reflexes.

So seeing that and then going "oh someone shot lightning at Aquaman once and he dodged it" still doesn't mean he can fight at super speed.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
If your constant excuse is being Black Adam is suggesting to be able to move as fast as Lightning based on Narration...

Second scan here.

http://m.imgur.com/a/vPvnu

"Muscles move with lightning speed in thin air" he has more reaction and speed feats then that but you seem to be ignoring them maybe? So you can suggest Tether wins?

This is actually interesting because you've shown that Aquaman can at least react at those speeds. Good find

That said, Adam was moving and fighting at those speeds, Aquaman seems more like he was able to react at those speeds

BUT

With that scan, I'm more inclined to go with Aquaman and Namor since they can compete with Adam in strength and Aquaman can at least somewhat react at speeds that can match Adam.

Originally posted by RadZoa
TBH I've never seen an Avatar character dodge lightning or electrical attack from Fire benders, they usually just redirect it.

This is actually interesting because you've shown that Aquaman can at least react at those speeds. Good find

That said, Adam was moving and fighting at those speeds, Aquaman seems more like he was able to react at those speeds

BUT

With that scan, I'm more inclined to go with Aquaman and Namor since they can compete with Adam in strength and Aquaman can at least somewhat react at speeds that can match Adam.

I think the Avatar thing is in terms of reacting to an attack. I see that as timing it based on a character shooting the lightning rather then reacting to the lightning your doing so to the user. Same reason street level characters are able to avoid bullets by aim Dodging or reacting to the shooter rather then bullet.

In Avatar though it seems to originate from the sky so id actually call that lightning but being channeled by a user.

My point in the Black Adam scan is sure he can travel as fast as Lightning but Aquaman can react at those speeds both based on Narration.

Appreciate you checking out the scan by the way.

Recent Aquaman chapter he was unaffected by transmutation "The Otherness" so there's that as well.

I'm sorry did we just enter the Twilight Zone? You are really comparing that feat to the Black Adam one? I don't even know what to say.

For those who don't know, he is comparing this:

To this:

Am I being punked? Is Ashton Kutcher going to pop out of my closet at any second?

I honestly don't think Aquaman can react as fast as someone like Adam. "Lightning fast/quick" has been used to describe people far slower that just happen to be faster than the average.

He'd fast, sure, but not THAT fast.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm sorry did we just enter the Twilight Zone? You are really comparing that feat to the Black Adam one? I don't even know what to say.

For those who don't know, he is comparing this:

To this:

Am I being punked? Is Ashton Kutcher going to pop out of my closet at any second?

It's better logic then comparing Teth to Jay who he's struggling to catch...

Your logic was to use Narration to suggest Teth can movie Lightning fast in terms of speed I simply showed Aquaman being stated to react that fast..

Sure Teth can move at him in those speeds but based on scans Aquaman can react. All you did was post the narrative. It doesn't help that J'onn is there either.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly don't think Aquaman can react as fast as someone like Adam. "Lightning fast/quick" has been used to describe people far slower that just happen to be faster than the average.

He'd fast, sure, but not THAT fast.

The difference is Aquaman has feats of actually Dodging cloud to ground lightning with a cloud just above his head, being stated to have incredible reaction time, and so on.

Like I said already if the game is pick a continuity in terms of speed feats there's the Pre-Crisis version which adding on would shit on Teth in terms of speed.

Where as when Street level characters are said to be that fast there hasn't been anything to prove whereas we have history with Aquaman.

I could simply use the fact that were using one scan of Teth as my counter but I think the rest I've posted already says volumes if you need scans I'll be glad to scan blast this topic.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly don't think Aquaman can react as fast as someone like Adam. "Lightning fast/quick" has been used to describe people far slower that just happen to be faster than the average.

He'd fast, sure, but not THAT fast.

Things like "lightning fast", "quicker than greased lightning", "moved like lightning", "lightning reflexes" etc are just common idioms in the english language. I don't think it is supposed to mean someone like Aquaman is literally able to move at a third or a 100th the speed of light or whatever. If someone in the DC universe says something is "quick as a flash" I don't think they literally mean quick as a Flash.

I've always thought Adam would be much faster than these two and combined with his strength, flight, and durability he would get the win here.