Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Exactly.No, in all seriousness. Kenobi was supposed to be old and weak (or at least not as powerful as he was before) and out of practice. His fight against Vader doesn't make sense. Even GL knows it.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
So, their entire fight where they were actually dueling and shit was like a minute and a half, maybe? Definitely not three minutes. Ahsoka held out longer in an extremely high-intensity fight, actually landing blows (kick to the head, Force push, slashing his face (circumstantial as it may be) etc) and, whether or not you consider this is up to you - but they were fighting on a Sith Temple which may or may not be a DS Nexus. So, yeah.
2.5 mins. They start fighting 30 secs in. I consider the fencing part of the fight. And Ahsoka gets BFR'ed by Vader within a minute of their fight then her sneak attack which lasts like a second. All in all MAYBE 1.5 mins of fighting before their fight is once again likely interrupted by the blast. The second part isn't really a fight though. The rest is off panel. Either way Vader could not push back Kenobi like he could push Ahsoka back.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Exactly.No, in all seriousness. Kenobi was supposed to be old and weak (or at least not as powerful as he was before) and out of practice. His fight against Vader doesn't make sense. Even GL knows it.
Keep in mind GL doesn't think the OT duels compare to the PT's 'Prime of the Jedi'. This is intentional, Vader isn't meant to be this God tier swordsman.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
And I agree. Vader vs. Ben makes no ****ing sense at all unless Kenobi got more powerful...like far more powerful. In fact, all the OT duels don't really make sense in the context of Vader being this GOD.
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But I'd say other than that one against Ben, his duels against ESB Luke and ROTJ Luke do make more sense. In ESB, we know he wasn't trying to kill him. In ROTJ, we know was psychologically and mentally conflicted (yeah, surprise surprise).
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
👆But I'd say other than that one against Ben, his duels against ESB Luke and ROTJ Luke do make more sense. In ESB, we know he wasn't trying to kill him. In ROTJ, we know was psychologically and mentally conflicted (yeah, surprise surprise).
Yeah that's cool and I get that he got cocky against ESB Luke...but still if it were Dooku he would have just picked Luke up, blasted him with lightning and dragged him back to Coruscant, neg diff. While I know canonically Vader>Dooku, its really hard to view Vader in this light when he fails to apprehend a half trained boy.
Originally posted by Slowpoke
Maul is a Dark Sider, the half machine body might even extended his physical strength prime by a decade.
Maul is shattered and broken cowering in the shadow of Inquisitors (kek) he's not even close to his prime anymore.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yeah that's cool and I get that he got cocky against ESB Luke...but still if it were Dooku he would have just picked Luke up, blasted him with lightning and dragged him back to Coruscant, neg diff. While I know canonically Vader>Dooku, its really hard to view Vader in this light when he fails to apprehend a half trained boy.
True, Dooku would do that.
I think that's more to do with Vader not truly wanting to turn Luke, doe. This is just my opinion, of course. But I think the whole circumstance makes it rather different than if it were Dooku vs. Luke in ESB.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
No, in all seriousness. Kenobi was supposed to be old and weak (or at least not as powerful as he was before) and out of practice. His fight against Vader doesn't make sense. Even GL knows it.
And Vader also was suppose to be out of practice and his cybernethics hindering him.
When Obi-Wan Kenobi duels his former apprentice Darth Vader on the Death Star, both combatants know that they are but shadows of their former selves.
—Fightsaber
Yet nobody cares about that with Vader, apparently only Ben has to stay shit.
Originally posted by Lord StarkMaul is shattered and broken cowering in the shadow of Inquisitors (kek) he's not even close to his prime anymore. [/B]
Sure he might not be his prime, but his body still aged slower than most of the Jedi
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I don't think he was afraid of the Inquisitors, but their master behind.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
And Vader also was suppose to be out of practice and his cybernethics hindering him.When Obi-Wan Kenobi duels his former apprentice Darth Vader on the Death Star, both combatants know that they are but shadows of their former selves.
—FightsaberYet nobody cares about that with Vader, apparently only Ben has to stay shit.
Frankly in the context of the canon it makes sense that Vader would be out of form. He has no hope of defeating the Emperor, the Jedi are all but destroyed. Who is he honing his skills for?
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Why not? Kenobi was already approaching Windu tier by RotS, and he was only 4 years older than him in ANH. It makes more sense than Ahsoka...
Windu tier? Come on now. If Windu and Anakin went in on Dooku he wouldn't have evaded capture so easily on Oba-Diah.
Yeah this Vader wank is kind of obscene and kind of contradictory to George's vision all in the name of making some god tier benchmark for the half baked villain that is Kylo Ren.