Ben Kenobi vs. Old Master Maul

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Yes Windu tier. If you actually look at their respective feats and not just go lolragdoll then you see.

"You have to be Windu or Yoda to compete with Sidious"

Originally posted by Lord Stark
First off Joker, Ahsoka's fight with Vader is MAX 2:30 and that's including a lot of dialogue. And she was on the run the whole fight. Their first tussle was roughly a minute.

YouTube video

Ben Kenobi and Vader fight for 3 minutes including a bit of dialogue.

Kenobi wields Soresu a form that focus on defense, deflecting your opponents attacks long enough for them to tire while conserving your own energy, altogether extending the duration of any one lightsaber duel.

Ahsoka on the other hand wields an Ataru/Djem So hybrid, she wasn't deflecting Vader's attacks and taking him head on, that's going to burn up a lot of stamina and shorten the duration of the fight considerably.

Now lets consider for a moment that Kenobi used his Ataru form in this fight? Do you really think he'd have lasted as long? No. He's not as fast or as strong as Ahsoka is.

Kenobi used some Ataru too.

**** off he did, they were barely shuffling their feet. haermm

Tbh...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Comparing the duration of Ahsoka and Kenobi's fights is not an accurate way of going about things, because they applied completely different tactics.

Kenobi wields Soresu a form that focus on defense, deflecting your opponents attacks long enough for them to tire while conserving your own energy, altogether extending the duration of any one lightsaber duel.

Ahsoka on the other hand wields an Ataru/Djem So hybrid, she wasn't deflecting Vader's attacks and taking him head on, that's going to burn up a lot of stamina and shorten the duration of the fight considerably.

Now lets consider for a moment that Kenobi used his Ataru form in this fight? Do you really think he'd have lasted as long? No. He's not as fast or as strong as Ahsoka is.

Incorrect. It says in the script Vader takes a defensive form where as Kenobi is the aggressor.

Which was far to stayed to be something like Ataru, and demonstrated none of the stylistic traits of Djem So. I imagine he was using Shien or something. Certainly nothing energy-intensive.

And large portions of the fight remain Kenobi merely deflecting Vader's rather stayed assault. So I'd say my point stands. 🙂

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Windu tier? Come on now. If Windu and Anakin went in on Dooku he wouldn't have evaded capture so easily on Oba-Diah.

Yeah this Vader wank is kind of obscene and kind of contradictory to George's vision all in the name of making some god tier benchmark for the half baked villain that is Kylo Ren.

I think Kylo has the potential to be a very good villain tbh.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I think Kylo has the potential to be a very good villain tbh.

By half baked I was mostly referring to his power level. But they are hyping Vader right now solely to advance Kylo's characterization.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which was far to stayed to be something like Ataru, and demonstrated none of the stylistic traits of Djem So. I imagine he was using Shien or something. Certainly nothing energy-intensive.

And large portions of the fight remain Kenobi merely deflecting Vader's rather stayed assault. So I'd say my point stands. 🙂

>Says Kenobi wasn't ragdolled in ANH because it's an old movie
>Says Kenobi didn't use Ataru because he was grounded in the movie

Originally posted by Lord Stark
By half baked I was mostly referring to his power level. But they are hyping Vader right now solely to advance Kylo's characterization.

Yeah, but I think it's good. I support the notion of Vader being a largely powerful Sith Lord. Imo it's better than GL's original intention, and it just makes one of the most iconic villain figures of all time all the more iconic.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
>Says Kenobi wasn't ragdolled in ANH because it's an old movie
>Says Kenobi didn't use Ataru because he was grounded in the movie

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lel, Kenobi didn't use Ataru cause he was old, which was evidently what Lucas was attempting to potray.

Yeah, just like Qui-Gon and Yoda didn't use Ataru...oh wait.

Ataru wasn't a thing when ANH came out.

And to be fair Yoda had the force reserves to augment himself to be capable of such acrobatics and Qui Gon dialed his version of Ataru back to the point where there wasn't much if any acrobatics involved.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yeah, but I think it's good. I support the notion of Vader being a largely powerful Sith Lord. Imo it's better than GL's original intention, and it just makes one of the most iconic villain figures of all time all the more iconic.

I disagree. This notion that a villain needs to be ridiculously powerful to be iconic is what got us into the disgusting mess of the EU with Nihilus and Starkiller, and the abomination that used to be SWTOR.

Vader is such an iconic villain because he is at his core a broken being, both physically and emotionally and a shadow of his former self...imo both physically and emotionally is way cooler than some hyped up Force God that became uber powerful with the loss of his limbs and the very reason he turned to the DS in the first place.

Holy shit yes. 👆

Vader should be relatively pathetic. All the "OMG Vader is the coolest and most powerfulest" is a lot of fanboy wank that misses the point.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I disagree. This notion that a villain needs to be ridiculously powerful to be iconic is what got us into the disgusting mess of the EU with Nihilus and Starkiller, and the abomination that used to be SWTOR.

Vader is such an iconic villain because he is at his core a broken being, both physically and emotionally and a shadow of his former self...imo both physically and emotionally is way cooler than some hyped up Force God that became uber powerful with the loss of his limbs and the very reason he turned to the DS in the first place.

Galen's not a villain.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I disagree. This notion that a villain needs to be ridiculously powerful to be iconic is what got us into the disgusting mess of the EU with Nihilus and Starkiller, and the abomination that used to be SWTOR.

Vader is such an iconic villain because he is at his core a broken being, both physically and emotionally and a shadow of his former self...imo both physically and emotionally is way cooler than some hyped up Force God that became uber powerful with the loss of his limbs and the very reason he turned to the DS in the first place.

Yep.