Originally posted by SyndicateAnd Qui-Gon was intended to come across as a lot less physically frail than Kenobi.
And to be fair Yoda had the force reserves to augment himself to be capable of such acrobatics and Qui Gon dialed his version of Ataru back to the point where there wasn't much if any acrobatics involved.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Galen's not a villain.
He starts as a villain.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I disagree, Vader being having the exterior of a uber-powerful Force god just makes his fragile interior all the more fascinating when exposed.
No it doesn't. "All who gain power, fear to lose it"
It's brilliantly ironic that Anakin's fear of losing his power (and with it the way to save Padme) leaves him weaker than he was before his fall.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Holy shit yes. 👆Vader should be relatively pathetic. All the "OMG Vader is the coolest and most powerfulest" is a lot of fanboy wank that misses the point.
A rather strange sentiment coming from the guy who's dedicated most of his days to passionately championing the likes of Vitiate and Bane and Nihilus.
The only time you profess any interest at all in villains being portrayed as weak or pathetic or ineffective is when they come from the movie-era lol.
Why is that, I wonder? mmm
The irony is especially thick with regards to Bane. This is a guy whose entire purpose is to be a visionary that creates an order whose each successive member is better than he is. But authorial intent and creative design go out the friggin' window on that note. 😂
Originally posted by Lord StarkHuh? Anakin wasn't afraid of losing his power, he was angry and acted rashly because he felt he wasn't powerful enough.
No it doesn't. "All who gain power, fear to lose it"It's brilliantly ironic that Anakin's fear of losing his power (and with it the way to save Padme) leaves him weaker than he was before his fall.
On the contrary, what's brilliantly ironic is that Vader got want he wanted. Power. But lost everything important in the process.
"When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master."
"Only a master of evil, Darth."
Originally posted by The_Tempestlmao 👆
The irony is especially thick with regards to Bane. This is a guy whose entire purpose is to be a visionary that creates an order whose each successive member is better than he is. But authorial intent and creative design go out the friggin' window on that note. 😂
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Huh? Anakin wasn't afraid of losing his power, he was angry and acted rashly because he felt he wasn't powerful enough.On the contrary, what's brilliantly ironic is that Vader got want he wanted. Power. But lost everything important in the process.
"When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master."
"Only a master of evil, Darth."lmao 👆
Anakin wasn't afraid of losing his power? Bruh are you serious. He was afraid at the losing opportunity to gain power so much he betrayed the Jedi Order.
Anakin is constantly afraid of not being strong enough. That very simply correlates to him fearing losing his power, he fears losing the position of basically being able to decide who dies.
I think Vader losing his power, his wife, and his children (from his perspective) makes it far more interesting. When he learns Luke is alive not only does he regain his children, but he through Luke also has the possibility of gaining power greater than any Jedi as he always hoped for.
Vader also never gained the power to manipulate the midi-chlorians, or became more powerful than any Jedi so him being more powerful than ROTS Anakin literally contributes nothing to the story except fanboys like you and I fapping to him trouncing EU characters.
When it comes down to it it makes way more sense for Vader (as GL said) to become like Maul and Dooku, apprentices who for various reasons can never surpass Sidious. A weakened placeholder.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
A rather strange sentiment coming from the guy who's dedicated most of his days to passionately championing the likes of Vitiate and Bane and Nihilus.The only time you profess any interest at all in villains being portrayed as weak or pathetic or ineffective is when they come from the movie-era lol.
The only one of those I'm actually "interested" in (bow chika wow wow) is Nihilus. I enjoyed Vitiate when he was at his most pathetic and petulant and his portrayal in KotFE made him a great villain only by making him relatively vulnerable. When it was just "Vitiate Mo Powah" he was pretty shitty.
Also no, Tarro Blood is a great villain and he's a complete prick and loser. Skavak is another decent villain who's largely ineffective. Sion is pretty pathetic as well and is good. A large part of Kreia's charm is in how bitter and insane she is.
Originally posted by Lord StarkHow can he afraid of something power he doesn't have, that doesn't make sense in the least. 😬
Anakin wasn't afraid of losing his power? Bruh are you serious. He was afraid at the losing opportunity to gain power so much he betrayed the Jedi Order.Anakin is constantly afraid of not being strong enough. That very simply correlates to him fearing losing his power, he fears losing the position of basically being able to decide who dies.
I think Vader losing his power, his wife, and his children (from his perspective) makes it far more interesting. When he learns Luke is alive not only does he regain his children, but he through Luke also has the possibility of gaining power greater than any Jedi as he always hoped for.
Vader also never gained the power to manipulate the midi-chlorians, or became more powerful than any Jedi so him being more powerful than ROTS Anakin literally contributes nothing to the story except fanboys like you and I fapping to him trouncing EU characters.
When it comes down to it it makes way more sense for Vader (as GL said) to become like Maul and Dooku, apprentices who for various reasons can never surpass Sidious. A weakened placeholder.
But OK, you can have that opinion if you want.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The only one of those I'm actually "interested" in (bow chika wow wow) is Nihilus. I enjoyed Vitiate when he was at his most pathetic and petulant and his portrayal in KotFE made him a great villain only by making him relatively vulnerable. When it was just "Vitiate Mo Powah" he was pretty shitty.Also no, Tarro Blood is a great villain and he's a complete prick and loser. Skavak is another decent villain who's largely ineffective. Sion is pretty pathetic as well and is good. A large part of Kreia's charm is in how bitter and insane she is.
I don't believe you tbh. I've known you for far too long. And you dodged the Bane part.
Just admit it that you the movie-era bad guys to be weak so it makes SWTOR look better.
Dewit.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I don't believe you tbh. I've known you for far too long. And you dodged the Bane part.Just admit it that you the movie-era bad guys to be weak so it makes SWTOR look better.
Dewit.
You don't "believe" my objectively true examples? Interesting. I've been consistent about my disinterest in Vitiates character
I don't bite bait, I lay it. Try harder fool.
Originally posted by Lord StarkYeah this Vader wank is kind of obscene and kind of contradictory to George's vision all in the name of making some god tier benchmark for the half baked villain that is Kylo Ren.
Don't think it has anything to do with Kylo Ren tbh.
More to do with Disney knowing what they have with Vader. An Iconic villain for all time. They want to big him up and not degrade him at all.
Unlike Maul who they don't seem to mind embarrassing.
Edit-
Also Filoni claims it was Lucas's instructions never to diminish Vader at all, and that he's basically unstoppable:
"We’ll have to see. You never know, you never know. The nerd-tacular obsession with Vader vs. Maul. It’s hard to say – I mean, Vader is hard to top. Something George is pretty adamant of all the time was that Vader, you know… You never want to do anything to diminish him."