Ahsoka Tano vs Old Master Maul

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Originally posted by ILS
So after having rewatched the fight I noticed a few things.

1. Maul had no qualms about taking on Kanan and Ahsoka simultaneously.

2. Maul implies Ahsoka has already ran away from him; "running away again, Lady Tano?"

3. The reason Ahsoka left was because mid-duel, Ezra had started up the battlestation. Kanan was distracting Maul while Ahsoka prevented Ezra from ruining shit.

Ahsoka and Maul seemed pretty even in their duel though the only implication we have is that Maul is better. And as usual, the way to prevent him from killing important characters is "overconfidence". Lazy storytelling but there you go.

I'm thinking Vader > Maul >/= Ahsoka. That said the nexus factor shouldn't be ignored, but I'm going to hold off on worrying about until at least one canon source makes mention of them actually mattering.

Maul clearly attempts to get the jump on Kanan to get him out of the way though.

And from what I know, Ahsoka faced Maul shortly after leaving the Jedi Order, when she was still in her teens, so it makes sense she'd flee from a duel.

And finally I think the point being made that Ahsoka was confident a person beneath her could handle Maul, implying she could do better. Though granted the fact he could was some weird jobbing shit.

Sure, but he's still risking confronting them both at the same time.

That's fair; and it makes sense if they're more even by Rebels if Maul has deteriorated and she is just beginning to come into her own now.

That theory is shaky at best given, again, Ezra was activating a battle station and Kanan's order was explicitly to go and stop him from doing so.

If everybody that posted in this thread got armed with a pistol I would still solostomp all of you with my Glock, no contest

Just wanted to let ya know

What honestly indicates he declined in skill? He outright destroyed the Inquisitors with more ease than Ahsoka, held his own against her, and still looks in remarkably great physical condition in spite of the passage of time. If anything Ahsoka having to flee and failing to beat him, indicates he hasn't declined at all

can u even hold a rifle properly

Originally posted by ILS
Sure, but he's still risking confronting them both at the same time.

That's fair; and it makes sense if they're more even by Rebels if Maul has deteriorated and she is just beginning to come into her own now.

That theory is shaky at best given, again, Ezra was activating a battle station and Kanan's order was explicitly to go and stop him from doing so.

True, but it wouldn't be the first time Maul's made a misjudgment. 😉

More information on Maul's current state would be useful, but I'm with Carthage on this, there is little actual on-screen evidence he's declined.

I won't disagree there.

I'd slap the glock out of your hand with my cock before beating you all into submission.

Originally posted by carthage
What honestly indicates he declined in skill? He outright destroyed the Inquisitors with more ease than Ahsoka, held his own against her, and still looks in remarkably great physical condition in spite of the passage of time. If anything Ahsoka having to flee and failing to beat him, indicates he hasn't declined at all
I think Temp was right when he said Maul was "rusty". But for all we know he might not have declined at all, who knows.

Beni. 👆

Tbh let's not forget that Maul's duelling skill didn't deteriorate at all after 10 years of being a mad old hermit. His fighting abilities have been drilled into him from a young age, it stands to reason that they've become muscle memory.

At best his physical and Force ability has declined, but I don't see his saber skills getting rusty.

He ragdolled the Seventh Sister who could ragdoll Kanan, partially keep blast doors open, and stall the Ghost, and lifted those massive Slabs of rock on the Malachor temple. All of these feats are consistent with what we've seen him do in TCW/Son of Dathomir

Yeah and at eighty years old Dooku's Force powers had never been stronger, I doubt it age would have affected Maul.

That said assuming his Legends birthdate is accurate, he's about 50 years old, so he's probably not quite a physically fit as he was, but still evidently in excellent shape.

I wonder if Maul's more intimate knowledge and skill with the double bladed saber gave him an advantage against the Inquisitors Ahsoka wouldn't necessarily have. I believe it was Filoni who said that the Inquisitors, specifically in comparison to Maul, were vastly outclassed because of Maul not needing the spinning feature and can wield the double blade with his own merit. (It was a statement back in 2014, IIRC).

I like how you try to poke holes with theories when it concerns everyone else, but ignore all the advantages Filoni stated Ahsoka had. uhuh

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I like how you try to poke holes with theories when it concerns everyone else, but ignore all the advantages Filoni stated Ahsoka had. uhuh
It's not like Vader didn't have just as many or more advantages.

Like being more powerful and skilled?

Probably, yeah?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
It's not like Vader didn't have just as many or more advantages.

I don't think you get the point I'm trying to make...

If anything Vader had the bigger advantage, considering his technique had changed a great deal, and Ahsoka didn't even believe it was Anakin. 🙂

The point is you and Joker are a bunch of cherry-picking bitches.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Ahsoka in a seriously close fight. They're both very impressive combatants, but I see Maul faltering, seeing as Maul has been isolated and it's reasonable to assume he's been out of practice for a very long time, where Ahsoka has been in combat far more frequently. SoD Maul would have dispatched the Inquisitiors alone far faster than his current incarnation did, even while being helped.

Maul's loss to Kanan was not due to his nonexistent 'superiority' but to Maul being who he is. He was overconfident, seeing Kanan as someone who would be easily discarded, seeing as he is already inferior in lightsaber combat, Force prowess, and he was blind. He had every reason to believe Kanan would be an easy kill; however, he didn't anticipate Kanan being able to put up any fight, and this made a noticeably reckless attack meant to bisect him which was easily countered by Kanan who was using the Force to sense his surroundings, giving him heightened awareness and improved premonition. In a drawn out duel where they were on equal footing with no prior injuries (namely Maul's surprise attack that blinded Kanan), Maul would slaughter him. It's pretty much the same thing that got him bisected by Kenobi in TPM, only it was his overconfidence rather than being completely off-guard.

All this sounds like 'after-the-fact' reasoning. There is absolutely nothing on screen to indicate that Maul fought "recklessly." He was just as confident about thinking he could take Ahsoka and Kanan at the same time.He displayed equal confidence prior to facing Pre Vizla but performed just fine in that duel.

Had he charged blindly towards Kanan only to be tripped or something, yeah, but we actually see them clashing sabers for a bit only for Kanan to use a move we've seen from both Ahsoka (see Ahsoka's duel with the 5th brother and 7th sister) and Vader (see Vader vs Kanan and Ezra). Thus, what you're really arguing here is that "There's no way Darth Maul could lose to some random no-name Jedi Knight legitimately!" Unfortunately, bad writing doesn't permit us to disregard what happened. I'm sure that once another writer gets a hold of this (likely in a novelization), you'll get all sorts of justifications that will support your view (i.e. Maul was just testing Kanan, Maul needed an excuse to leave before Vader arrived, Maul hadn't eaten in days, etc).

For the time being, however, unless Filoni comes back and has Maul say "Arrrgh, if only I were 20 years younger!" or "Had I only taken my imperial flu shot before that duel!", it is what it is and anything else is baseless conjecture.

Honestly, it seems clear to me that Filoni loves his characters and wants to make them look good by jobbing well-known powerhouses. I expect to see more of this as the series continues. Don't be surprised if he has Ezra "beating" Maul or pulling a Galen Mareck and going toe to toe with Vader.