Originally posted by ILS
All I need to do to render Stark helpless on the sidelines of debating posting memes is hold two very important quotes over his head. 🙂
All you have is quotes solidifying Ahsoka's inferiority to Maul. That means nothing to me as the good Count is still solidly above him. Prime Maul being trounced by Kanan for me only solidifies that his performance against Kenobi with Savage's aid was fully within Kenobi's capabilities and not some outlier feat as Filoni himself asserts.
Your dream of Maul being Dooku level and more powerful than Kenobi ends today ILS.
Originally posted by Lord StarkForce explosion. 💃
[B]All you have is quotes solidifying Ahsoka's inferiority to Maul.
Prime Maul being trounced by Kanan for me only solidifies that his performance against Kenobi with Savage's aid was fully within Kenobi's capabilities and not some outlier feat as Filoni himself asserts.Given that Filoni endorses the idea that Kenobi was amped, that other material asserts the location sucked for the brothers, the fact Maul has ragdolled Kenobi casually, and that Kanan isn't Obi-Wan, this logic is shit. 😱
Your dream of Maul being Dooku level and more powerful than Kenobi ends today ILS.Not really. 😂 More like your dream of Maul not being remotely powerful is screwed when taking into account he's better than someone who gave Vader, Disney's most valuable asset, a hell of a fight. Keep clinging to Kanan doe, I know it's all you have left.
Originally posted by ILS
Force explosion. 💃
Given that Filoni endorses the idea that Kenobi was amped, that other material asserts the location sucked for the brothers, the fact Maul has ragdolled Kenobi casually, and that Kanan isn't Obi-Wan, this logic is shit. 😱
No Filoni states that focused Kenobi who is emotionally balanced is superior to Maul and is a great warrior. When has Maul casually ragdolled Kenobi? Are you about to reference that n-canon feat?
Not really. 😂 More like your dream of Maul not being remotely powerful is screwed when taking into account he's better than someone who gave Vader, Disney's most valuable asset, a hell of a fight. Keep clinging to Kanan doe, I know it's all you have left.
I think Maul is powerful. I just think you underrate Kenobi by a lot. I think Maul and Kenobi are actually very close to each other with Kenobi holding the slight edge. You think Maul is vastly superior to Kenobi, which is just wrong.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
No Filoni states that focused Kenobi who is emotionally balanced is superior to Maul and is a great warrior. When has Maul casually ragdolled Kenobi? Are you about to reference that n-canon feat?
Maul ragdolled him in the same fight, regardless of his amp. There's no reason Kenobi shouldn't have been able to break out if he was capable.
Also, Maul was never trying to kill Kenobi throughout the Clone Wars. He was always trying to capture him so he could exact sadistic revenge on him, which he did with Satine.
I think Maul is powerful. I just think you underrate Kenobi by a lot. I think Maul and Kenobi are actually very close to each other with Kenobi holding the slight edge. You think Maul is vastly superior to Kenobi, which is just wrong.Please don't pretend to be the reasonable one here, Stark. You attempt to shit on Maul at every turn, this season finale affirms that. I agree both are powerful, and are very close as duelists. The difference is Maul is clearly more powerful than Kenobi, to the point he can pick him up and have his way with him in the midst of combat. I hold Kenobi in as high a regard as he deserves.
That said, I doubt we'll ever see eye-to-eye on the matter of Kenobi and Maul. You view me as a raging Maul fanatic who hates Kenobi and I likewise view you as a raging Kenobi fanatic who hates Maul (though there's more evidence for the latter given I don't intentionally try to shit on Kenobi 😎 ). So, if you have anything to offer other than meme-supreme, let me know.
Originally posted by ILS
Kenobi was filled with emotion which he managed to "focus" efficiently, because of Gallia's death. Hence he was amped, because Force Users draw power from their emotions. Filoni said in "that", emphasis, [b]"that" situation Kenobi wasn't going to come out as the loser.
Filoni actually says he starts off the fight focused. Not to mention the fact that if you wanna go with owning of Savage, earlier in that fight, Kenobi nearly one-shots Savage.
Focus doesn't mean an amp though. In a battledome setting you assume that both opponents are bringing their A game.
Maul ragdolled him in the same fight, regardless of his amp. There's no reason Kenobi shouldn't have been able to break out if he was capable.
Because he was busy fending off Savage. Shit even Seventh Sister is able to resist Maul's TK to an extent.
Also, Maul was never trying to kill Kenobi throughout the Clone Wars. He was always trying to capture him so he could exact sadistic revenge on him, which he did with Satine.
And Kenobi wasn't trying to kill Maul.
Please don't pretend to be the reasonable one here, Stark. You attempt to shit on Maul at every turn, this season finale affirms that. I agree both are powerful, and are very close as duelists. The difference is Maul is clearly more powerful than Kenobi, to the point he can pick him up and have his way with him in the midst of combat. I hold Kenobi in as high a regard as he deserves.
No you don't. Kenobi even post-prime held his own against Vader, better than Ahsoka imo. Prime Kenobi would do even better. Jesus Christ. Maul has never successfully TKed Kenobi in a 1 vs. 1 environment during the course of the Clone Wars. Kenobi is Maul's superior in sabers, Maul is his superior in TK, but not to the ridiculous degree you insinuate where he can TK him whenever he wants.
That said, I doubt we'll ever see eye-to-eye on the matter of Kenobi and Maul. You view me as a raging Maul fanatic who hates Kenobi and I likewise view you as a raging Kenobi fanatic who hates Maul (though there's more evidence for the latter given I don't intentionally try to shit on Kenobi 😎 ). So, if you have anything to offer other than meme-supreme, let me know.
I don't even like Kenobi. I just think he's better than people give him credit for. People try to dismiss half his feats as circumstantial and at a certain point it goes from not being circumstantial to being legit feats. I'm mostly kidding with the Kanan shit that's obviously a high-end showing for him, but it does stand to reason that Maul isn't as powerful as you hype him to be.
Filoni actually says he starts off the fight focused. Not to mention the fact that if you wanna go with owning of Savage, earlier in that fight, Kenobi nearly one-shots Savage.Focus doesn't mean an amp though. In a battledome setting you assume that both opponents are bringing their A game.
"not only that, when Adi Gallia dies he gains even more focus, and has to kind of right that wrong [...] he's very skilled so he's not going to lose that fight in that situation"
But ye nah, Kenobi can pull this out of his ass whenever he wants. Thanks for your objective analysis Stark. 👆
Kenobi nearly oneshotted Savage? I hope you aren't referring to when Savage had just finished killing Gallia and Obi-Wan hit him when he wasn't ready.
If Kenobi's increased emotion/focus isn't to be considered an amp, then we can discuss a Maul who is actually trying to kill Kenobi, is perfectly willing to crush him with the Force, and has just seen Savage die/been monologued by Sidious. Not sure how that works out for Kenobi other than terribly.
Because he was busy fending off Savage. Shit even Seventh Sister is able to resist Maul's TK to an extent.
You really aren't convincing me that you're interested in being objective and I'm the one wanking Maul.
And Kenobi wasn't trying to kill Maul.
Maul has never successfully TKed Kenobi in a 1 vs. 1 environment during the course of the Clone Wars. Kenobi is Maul's superior in sabers, Maul is his superior in TK, but not to the ridiculous degree you insinuate where he can TK him whenever he wants.It doesn't need to be a in 1 vs. 1 environment. Kenobi was amped and Maul still held him against his will. It's that simple. The fact Legends material supports this only makes matters worse for you, even if you want to pretend they don't exist now.
I don't even like Kenobi. I just think he's better than people give him credit for. People try to dismiss half his feats as circumstantial and at a certain point it goes from not being circumstantial to being legit feats. I'm mostly kidding with the Kanan shit that's obviously a high-end showing for him, but it does stand to reason that Maul isn't as powerful as you hype him to be.Well, I personally want to see Kenobi given the credit he warrants. I don't write off any of his feats. At the same time, I don't pull the wool over my own eyes and assert shit like AotC Kenobi > TPM Maul, or that his showing against Maul and Savage was anything other than situational.
Originally posted by ILS
[B]Well, that's extremely misleading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvGXSe8fvrs#t=1089"not only that, when Adi Gallia dies he gains even more focus, and has to kind of right that wrong [...] he's very skilled so he's not going to lose that fight in that situation"
But ye nah, Kenobi can pull this out of his ass whenever he wants. Thanks for your objective analysis Stark. 👆
Yeah. When Adi dies he nearly one-shots Savage. You act as though focus implies oneness with the force. Being focused just means that you are in the best state of mind which I always assume in a battledome scenario unless the OP specifies otherwise.
I'm not saying Kenobi will stomp Maul 10/10. But I am saying that if he's focused and not off balanced he's more likely to win then lose.
Kenobi nearly oneshotted Savage? I hope you aren't referring to when Savage had just finished killing Gallia and Obi-Wan hit him when he wasn't ready.
First off he's in the middle of a battle and Kenobi's screaming 'NO' and charging at him should give him plenty of notice.
But more hilarious is your ridiculous double standards. You laud Maul's ability to TK Kenobi when he's just floored Savage, but then when Kenobi has a feat of blitzing Savage you discard it on the basis that he 'wasn't ready'.
If Kenobi's increased emotion/focus isn't to be considered an amp, then we can discuss a Maul who is actually trying to kill Kenobi, is perfectly willing to crush him with the Force, and has just seen Savage die/been monologued by Sidious. Not sure how that works out for Kenobi other than terribly.
What are you referring to here?
More dogshit. Kenobi wasn't being attacked by Savage while he was suspended mid-air. If he was powerful enough to break out, he'd break out. And no, she couldn't resist his TK. She was held in place by him, helplessly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbZXzYWADdg
He just floored Savage and was expending energy attacking both Maul and Savage. And not to mention Kenobi has TK'ed Maul before in their duel before
And yes she did unless you have another reason why she stopped choking and gasping for air and also started smiling.
You really aren't convincing me that you're interested in being objective and I'm the one wanking Maul.
I am.
Lol, he wasn't trying to take him alive, either. He's never had qualms about killing in self-defence.
It doesn't need to be a in 1 vs. 1 environment. Kenobi was amped and Maul still held him against his will. It's that simple. The fact Legends material supports this only makes matters worse for you, even if you want to pretend they don't exist now.
Focused doesn't mean an amp. If I'm focused and I do well on a test that doesn't mean its a one time thing that I can never replicate.
Well, I personally want to see Kenobi given the credit he warrants. I don't write off any of his feats. At the same time, I don't pull the wool over my own eyes and assert shit like AotC Kenobi > TPM Maul, or that his showing against Maul and Savage was anything other than situational.
Lol at your reference to some shit I conceded to months if not years ago. And you say you don't write off any of his feats and yet in the same sentence you write off one of his feats. Of course the environment played a part of it. But you also have to realize that Savage and Maul had the advantage of ANOTHER PERSON.
Originally posted by Lord StarkFocused doesn't mean an amp. If I'm focused and I do well on a test that doesn't mean its a one time thing that I can never replicate.
I think an improved performance brought on by an extra deep focus specifically to right a wrong, would be the Jedi equivalent of a Rage Enhanced performance for a Sith.
Don't forget Kenobi was already focused for his 1 v 1 against Maul, and that looked pretty even.
Also don't forget Form 3's advantage in tight quarters.