Homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973

Oregon is one, and in Oregon you technically do not even need need parental consent if you are like 15-16. As for the official reason..insanity? LSD in the drinking water? People just being really stupid? I don't know what to tell you.

Do you feel there is a good reason for tax payers to pay for a sex change? Why shouldn't they use their own money if they want it so badly? Do we pay for a woman to get herself some new titties? I mean some women are super depressed about their small titties so..

Also that is not a joke, some women legitimately have these body issues and it can cause depression, etc. Shouldn't we then pay for their liposuction and boob jobs and nose jobs and their botox and all that?

Originally posted by Surtur
Oregon is one, and in Oregon you technically do not even need need parental consent if you are like 15-16. As for the official reason..insanity? LSD in the drinking water? People just being really stupid? I don't know what to tell you.

Do you feel there is a good reason for tax payers to pay for a sex change? Why shouldn't they use their own money if they want it so badly? Do we pay for a woman to get herself some new titties? I mean some women are super depressed about their small titties so..

Also that is not a joke, some women legitimately have these body issues and it can cause depression, etc. Shouldn't we then pay for their liposuction and boob jobs and nose jobs and their botox and all that?

If you don't know the official reason why OR will pay state money for someone's reassignment surgery, how can you be so seemingly outraged over it?

I don't know, but I'm open to hear the reason(s) before judging negatively. Maybe it's a sound and logical reason, maybe it isn't.

Originally posted by Robtard
Being seen as a pariah can affect someone mentally. Not shocking. Which isn't surprising considering the hate transgender people receive. Just look at this thread as a micro-example.

Similar studies have been done with the suicide rates of homosexuals. Where it's strangely higher if said gay person was spurned compared to a one who's felt accepted by his/her family and peers.

If 41 percent of the people that identify as something are trying to kill themselves, then it's doubtful they're happy regardless of circumstance.

It also implies that the research and therapy isn't being in depth enough.

Simply passing it off on other people doesn't magically change the situation. It will still happen and it will still hurt. Maybe these people need a little bit more help since those statistics say anything but "happy"

Originally posted by Robtard
If you don't know the official reason why OR will pay state money for someone's reassignment surgery, how can you be so seemingly outraged over it?

I don't know what you mean by "official reason". There wasn't really one, a panel decided they were "medically necessary".

I don't know, but I'm open to hear the reason(s) before judging negatively. Maybe it's a sound and logical reason, maybe it isn't.

Could you give me an example of sound logic for why this should be okay? Keeping in mind the state of Oregon does not have any information about transgenders that other states in this country do not have.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you don't know the official reason why OR will pay state money for someone's reassignment surgery, how can you be so seemingly outraged over it?

I don't know, but I'm open to hear the reason(s) before judging negatively. Maybe it's a sound and logical reason, maybe it isn't.

Sex reassignment surgery is just one of a number of treatment options recognized as the general standard of care for patients with gender dysphoria.

Not all transgender people have gender dysphoria, nor do all transgender people desire to undergo sex reassignment surgery.

Sex reassignment surgery is for someone who is so distressed by the incongruity between her experience of her own gender and her biological sex that it impairs her social and occupational functioning.

Gender dysphoria is one of 470 new conditions covered by Medicaid in Oregon.

The medical age of consent in the state has been 15-years-old since 1971.

Hormone therapy is a very stupid thing imo.

You're going to inject hormones that go against your biology because you disagree with your own biology?

Sure, ok. Don't be surprised when you come back even more ****ed up than before.

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Accidental double post.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Apologies, but HERE I would be wrong not to confront you, XYZ.

If this kind of "therapy" is, in fact, being performed by medical professionals on people as young as 15 WITHOUT so much as an "OK" from parents, focusing solely on the teenage patients instead of the DOCTORS who consent to this is irresponsible.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

We're talking about biology here, not "muh equal rights to get everything I want"

I mean, you wouldn't exactly call Michael Jackson transracial would you?

I'm pretty sure if you give a 15 year old hormones that occur naturally in the opposite gender, shit is gonna get ****ed up.

Originally posted by It's xyz!

I'm pretty sure if you give a 15 year old hormones that occur naturally in the opposite gender ...

I am pretty sure of what will happen, too.
We don't disagree on this particular point.

Originally posted by It's xyz!

a 15 year old is not old enough to make this kind of life changing decision

I am in complete agreement with you here, too.

No, I would rather remind you that a few in this reading audience might be grappling with some of the issues being discussed here. A careless word has more power here than might be readily apparent, the potential to do a GREAT deal more harm than you might intend. Just keep in mind there are real people, and some of them feeling quit desperate, on the other side of the screen.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I am pretty sure of what will happen, too.
We don't disagree on this particular point.

That shit will get ****ed up?

I am in complete agreement with you here, too.

No, I would rather remind you that a few in this reading audience might be grappling with some of the issues being discussed here. A careless word has more power here than might be readily apparent, the potential to do a GREAT deal more harm than you might intend. Just keep in mind there are real people, and some of them feeling quit desperate, on the other side of the screen.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Sex reassignment surgery is just one of a number of treatment options recognized as the general standard of care for patients with gender dysphoria.

Not all transgender people have gender dysphoria, nor do all transgender people desire to undergo sex reassignment surgery.

Sex reassignment surgery is for someone who is so distressed by the incongruity between her experience of her own gender and her biological sex that it impairs her social and occupational functioning.

Gender dysphoria is one of 470 new conditions covered by Medicaid in Oregon.

The medical age of consent in the state has been 15-years-old since 1971.

Which of course is silly. If you want a sex change then pay for it yourself. If the gender you were born with causes you so much inner turmoil then I am sorry but you are mentally ill and need help.

Originally posted by Surtur
Which of course is silly. If you want a sex change then pay for it yourself. If the gender you were born with causes you so much inner turmoil then I am sorry but you are mentally ill and need help.

In that regard, are you against the state using money to help people who suffer from a mental illness like schizophrenia or manic depression?

Originally posted by Robtard
In that regard, are you against the state using money to help people who suffer from a mental illness like schizophrenia or manic depression?

No I am not. I would be upset if state money was used to encourage a persons schizophrenia though.

Since you see if you can say that a person should get this surgery for free because otherwise they'd be depressed and shit..what about the people who are very depressed over their weight? Should we pay for their liposuction? You might say most people aren't suicidal over being overweight, but some definitely are. I don't understand why one persons grief is more important then anothers.

You're essentially saying "we'll cover you for this mental illness, but not that one".

What if sexual reassignment surgery is the 'cure' for someone suffering from as POE put it "gender dysphoria"? How is that any different than state funded lifelong drugs and therapy, counseling and or housing for a schizophrenic?

Originally posted by Robtard
You're essentially saying "we'll cover you for this mental illness, but not that one".

What if sexual reassignment surgery is the 'cure' for someone suffering from as POE put it "gender dysphoria"? How is that any different than state funded lifelong drugs and therapy, counseling and or housing for a schizophrenic?

You didn't address any of the points I made. What if a boob job can "cure" your depression, etc.? Do we pay for it? If you want to cover anything with a mental illness then why wouldn't we do that? Why is wanting bigger boobs less important then wanting your dick cut off? Since you surely can't sit there and make a claim about a specific individuals mental health and how it would compare to a transgenders mental health.

It's an all or nothing thing Rob, if one body issue that gives you depression is okay for you to get free plastic surgery then the others should be too.

Otherwise you need to be prepared to tell people that their own body issues just aren't as important as the trans body issues, even though to that specific person it might be *very* important.

Also Poe also said not every transgender has that disorder you mentioned. So we then have to say to transgenders "some of you deserve free sex changes and some of you don't". How is that not royally f*cked up? How is that not utterly cruel?

Originally posted by Surtur
You didn't address any of the points I made. What if a boob job can "cure" your depression, etc.? Do we pay for it? If you want to cover anything with a mental illness then why wouldn't we do that? Why is wanting bigger boobs less important then wanting your dick cut off? Since you surely can't sit there and make a claim about a specific individuals mental health and how it would compare to a transgenders mental health.

It's an all or nothing thing Rob, if one body issue that gives you depression is okay for you to get free plastic surgery then the others should be too.

Otherwise you need to be prepared to tell people that their own body issues just aren't as important as the trans body issues, even though to that specific person it might be *very* important.

Also Poe also said not every transgender has that disorder you mentioned. So we then have to say to transgenders "some of you deserve free sex changes and some of you don't". How is that not royally f*cked up? How is that not utterly cruel?

If it's legitimate medical depression and a "boob job" is the actual cure instead of therapy and/or drugs, I don't see how we can say no, when we're saying yes to cures and lifelong treatments for a slew of other mental illnesses. But iirc, something like a boob job is considered "cosmetic", but again, that's were the professionals come in.

Exactly, if we're treating mental illness with state money, then we treat all mental illnesses, not cherry-picking and saying no to gender-related illnesses because someone can't wrap their mind around why those can be legitimate illnesses.

See above. If professionals diagnose something as being factual, so be it.

Of course not, but we were specifically talking about people who want/need surgery. Not all people need or even want it.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're essentially saying "we'll cover you for this mental illness, but not that one".

What if sexual reassignment surgery is the 'cure' for someone suffering from as POE put it "gender dysphoria"? How is that any different than state funded lifelong drugs and therapy, counseling and or housing for a schizophrenic?

Furthermore, you do not understand mental illness and should probably stop posting.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
it isn't the cure. Most gender reassigned people live god awful lives due to the body being injected with a hormonal balance different to the one they were born with. It makes them feel worse.

Furthermore, you do not understand mental illness and should probably stop posting.

*Needs citation*

Another rage-y attack. Stop trolling for attention, we're having an honest discussion. Thanks.