Thanos vs Apocalypse

Whether it was actual Celestial Armor was already established in Uncanny Avengers and the Apocalypse Twins Arc, hence the Jarnbjorn/anti-Celestial armor haxx spell provided to Thor by Kang.

Also, Apocalypse also has a healing factor and complete control of his atomic structure. He can reform from a liquid state and self detonate and reform. At least in 616 he can and has. Most people confuse 616 with AoA and HoM depictions.

But I'm stopping here. I'm not going down the Thanos vs. Celestial Armor durability road. I plan on enjoying my weekend. lol

Are people arguing for Apoc? Hes a badass but he gets oneshotted.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Are people arguing for Apoc? Hes a badass but he gets oneshotted.

No, he really doesn't.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Whether it was actual Celestial Armor was already established in Uncanny Avengers and the Apocalypse Twins Arc, hence the Jarnbjorn/anti-Celestial armor haxx spell provided to Thor by Kang.

Also, Apocalypse also has a healing factor and complete control of his atomic structure. He can reform from a liquid state and self detonate and reform. At least in 616 he can and has. Most people confuse 616 with AoA and HoM depictions.

But I'm stopping here. I'm not going down the Thanos vs. Celestial Armor durability road. I plan on enjoying my weekend. lol

Then he just keeps getting beaten down. Nothing he's done is going to be more than an annoyance for Thanos. Not to mention ever since the Celestial armor retcon he hasn't exactly been shown to be able to manipulate his armor. In fact he lost to the axe that only effected his armor, and he even made a point to seperate his body from his armor in the Evan match and still got put down due to axe wounds. Iirc he also got put down from Absorbing Man smashing him in the face with the Jarn enchantment from the blunt wrecking ball. Which essentially means that a big axe and a big hit from Absorbing Man defeated him.
And if we assume his powers weren't forgotten, then it goes to show that his healing and molecule manipulation aren't absolute.

I think that Thanos has done more than enough to show he can and would damage Celestial armor of Apocalypse's thickness. And it'd be a huge beatdown either in h2h or all out until Apoc dropped.

We can use showings to contrast tactics though:

Ego tried the growing trick on Thanos and got his avatar destroyed when Thanos caught his attack and destroyed it. He then went inert and tried to absorb Thanos when he came back.
Stabbing him is something accomplishable, but Thanos would just heal. He healed in like panel from someone of a severely amped Annihilus' nature with sharpened claws.
Punches and blasts... shouldn't have to even get into this.
Possible telepathy, again, nope.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Because collateral damage is not always needed to show proof of power.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If Odin couldn't put down Thanos, Apocalypse sure ain't doing it.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I am not a fan of either character, so i believe i am being impartial when i say that Thanos is above Apocalypse in every respect. Just one level above, maybe, but that is enough.

Thanos is far older than Apoc. More Experience.
Thanos has also faced far more opponents than Apoc. More Experience and More On-Panel Feats.
Thanos has faced more powerful enemies than Apoc. More Experience, More On-Panel Feats and More Proof of Durability than Apoc can overcome.
There is more on-panel evidence of what he has been capable of doing against enemies that r far beyond Apoc. More of the above "Mores".

The Tech, Physical Strength, Skill, Experience, Energy Attacks, Defenses and Durability of Thanos has been tested, illustrated, stated and proven more, and at more advanced levels than Apocalypse.

Unless all of this can be argued, disproven or thrown out, Thanosshould be the winner in this scenario.

Originally posted by Surtur
Thanos is more durable then Thor so why would you assume what hurts Thor would automatically hurt him?

Heck in another thread someone said Thor needed special protection just to fight a dude inside the sun.

Your full argument fails. Molecule Man blasted Beyonder with enough power to slag billions of dimensions yet the wallpaper in the room wasn't even damaged.

I'd ask you to back up everything you just said but you can't as you know nothing about Apoc and go purely from power set

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Your full argument fails. Molecule Man blasted Beyonder with enough power to slag billions of dimensions yet the wallpaper in the room wasn't even damaged.

I'd ask you to back up everything you just said but you can't as you know nothing about Apoc and go purely from power set

Also know that dimensions aren't tangible. So that argument makes no sense anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove it. Show me MM blasting Beyonder with blasts that can slag billions of dimensions

Also know that dimensions aren't tangible. So that argument makes no sense anyway.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
secret wars 2. Go to the respect thread it's stated on panel. So yeah it's usable, the writers opinion trumps bullshit you can come up with.

Dimensions are intangible, so that makes no sense. But let's go with it since this is comics. The blast was concentrated on Beyonder. Beyonder absorbed the entire blast.

I would compare Apocalypse to early depictions of Thanos. But current And recent Thanos places him a level or 2 above.

Just going by some of the fights he lost, but survived, I would have to go with him.

I don't see Apocalypse surviving some of the fights Thanos has survived. Skyfather-level, Galactus-level, taking on multiple Herald-level characters.

I just don't see Apocalypse doing as well, or surviving at all.

Has apocalypse had a herald and above level fight? Like full fight

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has apocalypse had a herald and above level fight? Like full fight

Also, addressing Apoc's ability to control "tech", its been stated in the past that Thanos' tech is beyond the scientific and, like Dr. Doom, is also mystically powered.

Finally, to address the durability if Thanos vs Apoc's healing ability:

My "Kung Fu" is very strong...chinese

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, he really doesn't.

I think he does, but I also dont think I'm always right. So I will ask what High Herald has Apoc ever actually beaten solo? Yeah, he dominated a young Thor, and he has that war hulk episode, and he no sold black bolts scream. All of those are good but nothing that says he lasts longer than a minute vs. Thanos.

Black Bolt never screamed at him and Apocalypse was massively amped at the time.

Black Bolt was basically making the face you do when you're blowing hair out of someone's face.

i know, I've read the issue. And thats the thing, the only way you could make a case for Apoc is using high end showings only. And when one of your highest showings is beating a teenage Thor after sneak attacking him then your probably not going to do to well against someone who can take a beating from classic Odin.

Apocalypse is probably my favorite X-Men villian, but Thanos is a good bit beyond him, and will pretty much dominate Apoc from start to finish. I can't think of one offensive power that Apoc has that would really even damage Thanos.

Originally posted by h1a8
it is. Otherwise a character is operating on a lower level. So I agree that Odin was blasting Thanos with full power. It's just that particular Odin wasn't operating at those type of levels. The same as why Gladiator doesn't operate at planet busting levels when he punches someone.

they are different characters. Abc logic doesn't work. Plus Odin did put Thanos down. Either that's Thanos at his best or Odin as one of his worst or Odin and is actually closer to high herald than what many think (because Thanos is not far from high herald).

apoc is stronger. His hits can seriously hurt Thanos. Apoc can heal near instantly. Apoc has technopathy and can take over Thanos tech. Thanos is not resistant against cutting weapons.

it's the level of hurt. Thanos isn't that much more durable than Thor is. If Thor gets killed then Thanos gets hurt, if Thor gets disintegrated then Thanos gets killed easily. Get my point?

What are you talking about man? Like, literally half of this is completely untrue and in fact, the opposite.

Apoc is stronger than Thanos? Huh? Where did you get that from?

Thanos is basically high herald? Wow.

Thanos isn't much more durable than Thor? Ok, yeah, we should just stop here because all of this is wrong and I'm really not sure where you came to these conclusions as I can't think of a single thing Apoc has done that would make him physically stronger than the Hulk or adult Thor, not even close to Thanos.

Does anybody have a scan of Apoc's best strength feat? And if its a scan of him bullyimg Colossus then don't even bother.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Thanos punched a hole in his equal clone when he went all out. Mind you neither were at full power, but each one was above Thor at least

Either way though, he's only went all out 2 times, and 3 if you count his powering up to it in Infinity. Which leaves room for him to demolish Apoc.

Magus manhandled that same clone easily.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh? He went to astral plane to do that.

Magus manhandled that same clone easily.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718601/5895684.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718602/Thanos_doppelganger_8.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718603/Thanos_doppelganger_9.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718604/1039847.jpg.html

"... sip from the chalice of self destruction"

Hell, astral suicide itself...

And here's showing the battle was physical
Sue was watching (and helping) it right up until he punched a hole in him
http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/dbzrk/media/Thanosdup3_zps46350551.jpg.html

But yes, a surprise choke should lower his power a lot. Even though real Thanos who was weaker was more powerful than all the heroes in Infinity War and manhandled Hulk and Thing even worse.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
No...
He was merely talking about astral suicide because he thought if he killed the clone he would kill himself. Hell it even shows the damage occurring in the room while he says astral suicide. Because Thanos thought they were connected, hence why he decided instead to turn him into a butterfly to eat him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718601/5895684.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718602/Thanos_doppelganger_8.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718603/Thanos_doppelganger_9.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718604/1039847.jpg.html

"... sip from the chalice of self destruction"

Hell, astral suicide itself...

Maybe you should read the scans again. Or for first time.

And here's showing the battle was physical
Sue was watching (and helping) it right up until he punched a hole in him
http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/dbzrk/media/Thanosdup3_zps46350551.jpg.html

The fight was physical before he went to astral plane. According to that comic, Thanos had help from Sue.

http://m.imgur.com/LYRV6ri?r

http://m.imgur.com/qHyvshl?r

That's what helped him beat the doppelganger.

But yes, a surprise choke should lower his power a lot. Even though real Thanos who was weaker was more powerful than all the heroes in Infinity War and manhandled Hulk and Thing even worse.

Surprise choke? Haha, what?

Masterson alone stalemated Thanos there. Gruenwald had a very high opinion of Thanos. More than even Starlin.

That's why Quasar casually destroyed his head while he had Infinity Gauntlet in the same series.

Comics are inconsistent. Get over it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe you should read the scans again. Or for first time.

The fight was physical before he went to astral plane. According to that comic, Thanos had help from Sue.

http://m.imgur.com/LYRV6ri?r

http://m.imgur.com/qHyvshl?r

That's what helped him beat the doppelganger.

Surprise choke? Haha, what?

Masterson alone stalemated Thanos there. Gruenwald had a very high opinion of Thanos. More than even Starlin.

That's why Quasar casually destroyed his head while he had Infinity Gauntlet in the same series.

Comics are inconsistent. Get over it.

The only possible way Sue could have seen everything and helped is if she also went to the astral plane, following your logic. And I already said she helped. You only posted that to try and lowball when all it does is prove you wrong.

And the words are entirely talking about Thanos worrying about what would happen if he killed his double. I don't... all that supports your stance is the word astral being said once. Nothing there supports it being a mental battle. There are now two full fights posted from when Thanos was in that state. Neither of them had mental battles. And especially the one you posted.

Yeah a surprise choke. He grabbed him with no warning and nothing came of it.

Masterson matched a punch from Thanos, because it's a hammer. Did you expect Thanos to punch through the hammer? Quasar destroying his head is irrelevant, nor does it erase his feats from a comic. Thanos was shown more powerful than the heroes, it's that simple. The clone was portrayed higher.

Sounds like you're the one who needs to get over something. Was your purpose to help Apocalypse in this thread or to try and spread false info that never needed to be said?