People here have a hard time understanding the role that context has played in Cap/Bucky vs Iron Man fight.
Ok now lets change a few details in the same fight , suppose Iron Man is really angry and wants to kill them both , at the start of the fight when Iron Man is standing next to cap , he will use his lasers to cut his head , then he will go after Bucky and cut his head too ! Just like that , no muss no fuss.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Iron Man's AI said he'd never be able to beat Steve H2H, which is pretty crazy, and Steve and Bucky did technically beat Tony. So I guess they should be able to do it again, unless Tony just nukes them from the sky or something.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Who says it has to be h2h? And why can't he use the attack prediction of his AI again? (even if Iron Man being unable to take Cap h2h is bullshit since Cap is not that OMG skilled and Tony isn't no slouch in fistfights either)
I don't know what you want me to say mate, just because you don't like it doesn't make it void. And Tony's AI is a pretty unbiased source, it's not just some person watching them. Apparently Cap is pretty omg skilled, since he completely overwhelmed Tony with that blitz. Be that as it may, I said if Tony keeps it at range, he has a good chance at winning, but if the team closes the gap, it could end similarly to how it happened in CW.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I don't know what you want me to say mate, just because you don't like it doesn't make it void. And Tony's AI is a pretty unbiased source, it's not just some person watching them. Apparently Cap is pretty omg skilled, since he completely overwhelmed Tony with that blitz. Be that as it may, I said if Tony keeps it at range, he has a good chance at winning, but if the team closes the gap, it could end similarly to how it happened in CW.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Steve and Bucky did technically beat Tony. So I guess they should be able to do it again, unless Tony just nukes them from the sky or something.
Yeah because the end fight in civil war is the only way that Cap/Bucky vs Iron Man fight can happen. so by that logic yes , Cap/Bucky will be able to beat Iron Man again unless Iron Man nukes them ! 😂
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Iron Man's AI said he'd never be able to beat Steve H2H, which is pretty crazy, and Steve and Bucky did technically beat Tony. So I guess they should be able to do it again, unless Tony just nukes them from the sky or something.
The computer was obviously wrong. Shortly thereafter, once Tony's CIS/PIS was off, the computer instantly analyzed his style and Cap got owned. The whole scene was CIS since Cap would already have detailed files on Cap and his fighting style. What's worse, even if he hadn't (which would be retarded since IM is a hyper genius), he instantly do so once the fight started. The reality is, IM has no issue h2h once the cuffs come off.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The computer was obviously wrong. Shortly thereafter, once Tony's CIS/PIS was off, the computer instantly analyzed his style and Cap got owned. The whole scene was CIS since Cap would already have detailed files on Cap and his fighting style. What's worse, even if he hadn't (which would be retarded since IM is a hyper genius), he instantly do so once the fight started. The reality is, IM has no issue h2h once the cuffs come off.
Not really. The fight ended with Tony's helmet off, and Steve primed to decapitate him, so it clearly wasn't wrong.
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
Yeah because the end fight in civil war is the only way that Cap/Bucky vs Iron Man fight can happen. so by that logic yes , Cap/Bucky will be able to beat Iron Man again unless Iron Man nukes them ! 😂
I don't mean he literally has to nuke them, master mind. Just stay at a distance, and use long range weaponry.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
You still didn't answer my question. The team didn't oneshot Tony. So why can't he use the AI's fight prediction again?
Does Tony have something like that? He never used it during Civil War.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Not really. The fight ended with Tony's helmet off, and Steve primed to decapitate him, so it clearly wasn't wrong.
I see, so the computer analyzed Cap style, but Cap countered said style and beat IM? Do you have some boot-leg version that I haven't seen? The version I saw, showed without question, once CIS was off and Tony analyzed his style; he completely owns Cap and countered him easily. Cap did nothing after that point h2h to establish that he could overcome said analysis. What did occur was, IM countered and had Cap stunned, hurt and wobbly.... IM monologues instead of pressing the issue, and then WS come back into the picture distracting IM so Cap could pull that move off. Do you miss these sequences or do you really have another version of the movie?
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Who says it has to be h2h? And why can't he use the attack prediction of his AI again? (even if Iron Man being unable to take Cap h2h is bullshit since Cap is not that OMG skilled and Tony isn't no slouch in fistfights either)
Cap is arguably the best h2h fighter in the MCU while there is almost no indication that Tony is a good h2h fighter. We see him training with his bodyguard but training isn't the same as actually fighting or even competing.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I see, so the computer analyzed Cap style, but Cap countered said style and beat IM? Do you have some boot-leg version that I haven't seen? The version I saw, showed without question, once CIS was off and Tony analyzed his style; he completely owns Cap and countered him easily. Cap did nothing after that point h2h to establish that he could overcome said analysis. What did occur was, IM countered and had Cap stunned, hurt and wobbly.... IM monologues instead of pressing the issue, and then WS come back into the picture distracting IM so Cap could pull that move off. Do you miss these sequences or do you really have another version of the movie?
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I think you are dead on the money with your perception of what happened; I interpreted it the exact same way...