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Originally posted by Nephthys
It's not because........ he made a new order of Sith.

They're still Sith.

He's a Sith.

He's Darth Bane.

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Getting hung up on that Darth title, aren't you? 😬

Spoiler:
Exar "Not Darth" Kun was Sith, too.

Valkoriate's public distaste for the Sith order as it stands doesn't mean anything. Bane was an apostate as well. Hell, even Tenebrous, who refers to Sith philosophy as "twaddle" that he transcended in The Tenebrous Way.

And of course, there's always Nihilus.

All three of them? Yup, still Sith.

I get it: you don't want Valkoriate to be identified as Sith because it's another thing that puts him under Sheev. But that's not my concern.

Remember when you actually made good arguments? That was fun.

Without saying any mean words that you'll misinterpret as anger, moron, you're being a moronic retarded babybrained idiot. Darth Bane killed the Sith and then kept being a Sith. He's the ****ing Sith'ari. He created the Rule of ****ing Two AS A SITH as the guidelines for his NEW SITH ORDER. The order that is made up of Sith. The Sith that he created. As he stayed a Sith. Because he's a Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiith.

How is that even the slightest bit similar to Valkorion creating an entirely new order of Force Users that have absolutely nothing to do with the Sith and then repeatedly saying he isn't a Sith? You goddamn spanner.

^^^

Exactly

Originally posted by Nephthys
Remember when you actually made good arguments? That was fun.

Without saying any mean words that you'll misinterpret as anger, moron, you're being a moronic retarded babybrained idiot. Darth Bane killed the Sith and then kept being a Sith. He's the ****ing Sith'ari. He created the Rule of ****ing Two AS A SITH as the guidelines for his NEW [b]SITH ORDER. The order that is made up of Sith. The Sith that he created. As he stayed a Sith. Because he's a Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiith.

How is that even the slightest bit similar to Valkorion creating an entirely new order of Force Users that have absolutely nothing to do with the Sith and then repeatedly saying he isn't a Sith? You goddamn spanner. [/B]

This particular outburst conjures vivid and fond memories from the TDK-Ledger chats.

Also, again:

Yes, its totally similar to Darth Nihilus and his legions of Sith and Sith Apprentice. U R SMRRT.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, its totally similar to Darth Nihilus and his legions of Sith and Sith Apprentice. U R SMRRT.

Mythological precedent for a guy who cares absolutely zilch for Sith teachings and philosophy but is identified as one nonetheless.

Kinda like Valky.

Strange, innit? stoned

Oh my ****ing god.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh my ****ing god.

It amuses me how much this upsets you.

True, it undermines your entire position on a certain topic, but it's not the first time this has happened.

I'm mourning you man. Don't do this. Come back to the light of reason. Nihilus still trained a Sith Apprentice, created a Sith holocron, commanded and lead Sith legions and hell he even spoke goddamn Sith. He never renounced the Sith like Valkorion did. Eventually he would have turned on them and eaten them when he had no choice but he didn't. It's a shitty comparison.

But I mean, if you don't want to count Nihilus that's fine by me.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Mythological precedent for a guy who cares absolutely zilch for Sith teachings and philosophy but is identified as one nonetheless.

Kinda like Valky.

Strange, innit? stoned

Even if Darth Nihilus is identified as a Sith; he is still perceived as an anomaly and excluded from rankings by many fans.

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Valkorion abandoned Sith philosophy and created a new one, developing his powers accordingly (we witness Valkorion demonstrating some Light Side powers and some new powers in the Knights of the Fallen Empire content). He also lost his position as the Emperor of the Sith Empire as a consequence.

What light side powers are those, tbh?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That was for Neph, I was on my phone at the time and didn't quote him. But you're welcome to show me the inaccurate codex entry for Nox.

Of which pretty much all is now wrong.

FreshestStrap
Once a slave, (Sith Inquisitor) overcame the brutal trials of Korriban, the schemes of rival Sith Lords and deadly Republic opponents to become a force few in the galaxy dared to challenge. Now a member of the Dark Council, the Sith Empire's ruling body, (Sith Inquisitor) is master of a vast domain, with apprentices and soldiers ready to fight and die at their master's bidding.

Of which pretty much all is now wrong.

And this Codex entry was updated for KOTFE and still describes outdated information?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm mourning you man. Don't do this. Come back to the light of reason. Nihilus still trained a Sith Apprentice, created a Sith holocron, commanded and lead Sith legions and hell he even spoke goddamn Sith. He never renounced the Sith like Valkorion did. Eventually he would have turned on them and eaten them when he had no choice but he didn't. It's a shitty comparison.

Valkoriate created and led a Sith empire for a millennium and a half. We know from sources ranging from Kreia to KOTOR sourcebook that everything about the Sith are "meaningless" to Nihilus, despite to whatever extent he employed their elements. He cares even less for them than Valkorion does. There's established symmetry there that you refuse to recognize because it suits your agenda.

It was introduced with KotFE, so obviously it's ironclad truth. Duh.

'Strap, link me to the codex entry.

Clearly hasn't been updated. 😬

EDIT: Actually if it were introduced with KotFE that would make sense, considering it would be referring to the players status at the start of the game. 👆

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Valkoriate created and led a Sith empire for a millennium and a half. We know from sources ranging from Kreia to KOTOR sourcebook that everything about the Sith are "meaningless" to Nihilus, despite to whatever extent he employed their elements. He cares even less for them than Valkorion does. There's established symmetry there that you refuse to recognize because it suits your agenda.

"But I mean, if you don't want to count Nihilus either that's fine by me."

Valkorion specifically renounced the Sith Empire, they renounced him, he set up a competing Force Wielder Order. Nihilus didn't care about the Sith but he never actually left them or turned on them. But yeah, it's cool with me if we don't count Nihilus either. A lot of people don't.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Clearly hasn't been updated. 😬

EDIT: Actually if it were introduced with KotFE that would make sense, considering it would be referring to the players status at the start of the game. 👆

Originally posted by The_Tempest
'Strap, link me to the codex entry.

FreshestStrap
link

Thanks for the link. But it's not inaccurate, for reasons Beni already provided: at the start of the game, Nox was what the codex said he was.

FreshestStrap
Much like Valkorion's codex was introduced right when we met him, Beni. Thanks for the support.

Actually, it undermines you: the same Codex that identifies Valkorion as Sith is also the one that says he wants to be unburdened by archaic Sith principles. Which means he doesn't go on to care less about the Sith, he doesn't care about them at all as of the entry's existence... and it still calls him one.

Originally posted by Nephthys
"But I mean, if you don't want to count Nihilus either that's fine by me."

Valkorion specifically renounced the Sith Empire, they renounced him, he set up a competing Force Wielder Order. Nihilus didn't care about the Sith but he never actually left them or turned on them. But yeah, it's cool with me if we don't count Nihilus either. A lot of people don't.

I do count Nihilus, because he's identified as Sith by sources that are a bit more authoritative than you or me. Just like Valk.

The fact that one bothered to change his party registration from Sith to Independent doesn't mean anything when neither of them claim any allegiance to it and one, Nihilus, never gave a shit to begin with.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Much like Valkorion's codex was introduced right when we met him, Beni. Thanks for the support. 👆

https://torcommunity.com/database/codex/tWnCen0/the+sith+inquisitor/