Originally posted by Sinious
Damn, Temp. Come up with something better than Sids > all sith or Sidious is a universe buster. Do it fast tbh. 😬
Pfeh! I do not compete for souls or for loyalty. Neither does Sheev. The arguments are there. The heretic leader is someone who bent the knee before me already and who now openly disregards facts.
Plus LeGenD is their mascot.
It's a shit show. You're welcome to it.
Originally posted by The_TempestI'm not asking you to compete for that. Strong arguments against Sheev are made and I'm asking you to defend him properly and save an innocent soul as a bonus. 😬
Pfeh! I do not compete for souls or for loyalty. Neither does Sheev. The arguments are there. The heretic leader is someone who bent the knee before me already and who now openly disregards facts.Plus LeGenD is their mascot.
It's a shit show. You're welcome to it.
Originally posted by Sinious
I'm not asking you to compete for that. Strong arguments against Sheev are made and I'm asking you to defend him properly
Long arguments have been made, sure. Strong? Nah. The cacophony of anguished protests from the heretics should not be mistaken for compelling arguments.
As far as my defense of him is concerned, I've done my duty. It's not my fault my champion has better accolades and feats to his name and I won't apologize for judiciously employing the tools at my disposal.
Their failure is theirs alone.
Originally posted by Sinious
and save an innocent soul as a bonus. 😬
To renounce His Imperial Majesty is heresy. Heretics are not innocent. uhuh
Originally posted by The_TempestYet there is still a challenge made. The opposition is saying that Valkorion has better showings. Skillz carefully listed them and one could actually argue that they are superior to at least ROTS Sidious's showings. It's not your duty to make a case for Sidious of course, I just think you can do much better than "universe buster" and "Valky's totally a sith" arguments.Long arguments have been made, sure. Strong? Nah. The cacophony of anguished protests from the heretics should not be mistaken for compelling arguments.
As far as my defense of him is concerned, I've done my duty. It's not my fault my champion has better accolades and feats to his name and I won't apologize for judiciously employing the tools at my disposal.
Their failure is theirs alone.
To renounce His Imperial Majesty is heresy. Heretics are not innocent. uhuhThat just happened in the past and it was partially your fault. 🙄
Originally posted by Sinious
Yet there is still a challenge made. The opposition is saying that Valkorion has better showings. Skillz carefully listed them and one could actually argue that they are superior to at least ROTS Sidious's showings. It's not your duty to make a case for Sidious of course, I just think you can do much better than "universe buster" and "Valky's totally a sith" arguments.
In other words, you want to wage total feat wars. That's amateur hour, bro. For a zillion reasons:
Spoiler:
No one who plays feat wars ever plays the game honestly or objectively. Feats matter when they want them to matter. When they don't want them to matter, they set them aside for things like Word of God/accolade/hype/etc. This is also a demonstrably inconsistent franchise: PIS and power creep are liberally-applied tropes in Star Wars storytelling. By the way, which feats count? I spanked Skillz on this subject months ago – it's when he bent the knee – so now he and 'Strap desperately attempt to move the goalpost: "Uh, yeah, OK. Feats matter... but just combat feats. And by combat feats I mean feats used in a 1v1 fight. Because the same TK you use to blow up a starship can't be used against a person in a hypothetical fight. So like Starkiller doesn't count. Because he's confusing." Furthermore, what's that do for the Star Wars Hierarchy? What combat feats do we actually see from, say, The Father, that justifies the status ascribed to him by various LFL authorities and writers. I guess that means Ezra Bridger would really shitstomp Tulak Hord? How about a million other scenarios no one has the balls to entertain? How many times have we seen SWL employ this logic only to cry foul when it's used against him? It oughta be a drinking game tbh.
{This, of course, requires the exceedingly generous assumption that Valkoriate really does have better feats than Sheev to begin with.}
What you desire is for me to neuter my own argument and engage in a pointless contest, the premise of which is demonstrably self-defeating. That's not an intellectual challenge, that's not an amusing sparring match, it's quite literally a waste of time. And that's not a game I'm interested in playing. My argument needn't employ hypocrisy or dishonesty as theirs does: I have the feats, yes, but more importantly, the facts on my side. I won't apologize for that. excellent
Which is why I have no intention of bidding for your soul or your allegiance. As our Master does, I simply present you with the facts. If you come to me, you do it of your own accord.
Originally posted by Sinious
That just happened in the past and it was partially your fault. 🙄
Are you referring to your prolonged season of hormonal imbalance? I am not to be held accountable for your frailties. What you do with your weakness is entirely up to you. You can kneel at the altar of His Imperial Majesty and be purified, clarified, and ascended by way of His grace.
Or not.
The choice is yours.
In other words, you want to wage total feat wars. That's amateur hour, bro. For a zillion reasons:I would like to see an effective counter to this argument tbh.Spoiler:
: No one who plays feat wars ever plays the game honestly or objectively. Feats matter when they want them to matter. When they don't want them to matter, they set them aside for things like Word of God/accolade/hype/etc. This is also a demonstrably inconsistent franchise: PIS and power creep are liberally-applied tropes in Star Wars storytelling. By the way, which feats count? I spanked Skillz on this subject months ago – it's when he bent the knee – so now he and 'Strap desperately attempt to move the goalpost: "Uh, yeah, OK. Feats matter... but just combat feats. And by combat feats I mean feats used in a 1v1 fight. Because the same TK you use to blow up a starship can't be used against a person in a hypothetical fight. So like Starkiller doesn't count. Because he's confusing." Furthermore, what's that do for the Star Wars Hierarchy? What combat feats do we actually see from, say, The Father, that justifies the status ascribed to him by various LFL authorities and writers. I guess that means Ezra Bridger would really shitstomp Tulak Hord? How about a million other scenarios no one has the balls to entertain? How many times have we seen SWL employ this logic only to cry foul when it's used against him? It oughta be a drinking game tbh.{This, of course, requires the exceedingly generous assumption that Valkoriate really does have better feats than Sheev to begin with.}
It is really funny (and ironic at the same time) when Palpatine-wankers talk about 'objectivity' while they take literally every statement (even associated hyperbole) at face value and use them as some sort of trump card in a debate.
Example 1:
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Besides which, even if that were all true, all of that is exponentially weaker than the ability to consume all of space in a Force storm. Palpatine is orders of magnitude more dangerous tbh.
Example 2:
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Same level of power? Setting aside his vastly superior combat skill, the consistently higher caliber of his opponents, and his deep studies of the Force in "all its guises throughout the galaxy," Sheev has manipulated the Force on planetary and galactic scales and is factually capable of employing it on a cosmic scale.He accomplished all of that in the span of a single human lifetime and without liberal external aid. He's an infinitely more impressive figure, honestly.
The_Tempest also accuses me of jumping on feats bandwagon in debates but he tends to forget that literally every other member 'demands' information about the feats of a character in a hypothetical versus topic.
I am absolutely comfortable with relying on combination of power-scaling, accolades and any bit of information that may help, to assess a character's position vis-a-vis his surroundings. However, most members aren't into this.
Based on power-scaling, I'd say that Darth Thanaton is more powerful then Count Dooku. However, most members would say what are his feats?
Palpatine-wankers should first decide an appropriate debating strategy before attempting to lecture others and pinpoint their 'supposed' faults.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
talk about 'objectivity' while they take literally every statement (even associated hyperbole) at face value and use them as some sort of trump card in a debate.
Thank God you're above all that.
Spoiler:
There's some more irony for you.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The_Tempest also accuses me of jumping on feats bandwagon in debates but he tends to forget that literally every other member 'demands' information about the feats of a character in a hypothetical versus topic.I am absolutely comfortable with relying on combination of power-scaling, accolades and any bit of information that may help, to assess a character's position vis-a-vis his surroundings. However, most members aren't into this.
Based on power-scaling, I'd say that Darth Thanaton is more powerful then Count Dooku. However, most members would say what are his feats?
Palpatine-wankers should first decide an appropriate debating strategy before attempting to lecture others and pinpoint their 'supposed' faults.
I'm not responsible for others' methodology. You have a pretty extensive and recent history of playing feat wars when it suits you and begging for the benefit of the doubt when it doesn't. Which is one of the many reasons no one here takes your arguments seriously. 😬
Originally posted by The_Tempest Thank God you're above all that.Spoiler:
There's some more irony for you.
However, the effort of member Silver2467 is OK (even good) in your opinion: https://www.google.com.pk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Palpatine+respect+thread
Right?
I don't get your double-standards.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not responsible for others' methodology. You have a pretty extensive and recent history of playing feat wars when it suits you and begging for the benefit of the doubt when it doesn't. Which is one of the many reasons no one here takes your arguments seriously. 😬
As I pointed out earlier, I am OK with relying upon every bit of information (ignoring only hyperboles in the process) to assess a character but debates in hypothetical versus matches seldom work this way. In most cases, other members 'demand' information about feats of a character to judge them.
But how would you know since you aren't much active in the debating scene? If you are aware then you need to tone-down your jabs towards me a bit.
Those who want to take my information seriously, do take it as such. If some don't, I don't care about them either. However, I don't tend to fellate my self-importance in the debating scene like you.
This is Star Wars; a hobby! Not something that matters in real life.
I am an accomplished man in real life and this all that matters to me. You worry about your position in real life then my standing in fiction.