Originally posted by Sinious
I'm not sure what exactly I'm failing at here. Sidious is a clear superior of Vader. Like I said, in both instances of TFU, Sidious takes care of Vader or Galen rather easily. Sidious also proved how far superior he is to his other apprentices. How far do you have Vader above Dooku? 😬
Heck, in the rest of the Legends, Vader is so utterly dominated by Vader as a character,
Vader literally doesn't even get to entertain the THOUGHT of overthrowing his master as he finds himself on his knees and in agony no matter how far he is from Sidious. Well not gonna argue with you there! Please, this isn't the first time the original big bad of SW was challenged in his near 40 year long existence.
You know I'm familiar with Vitikorion more than the overwhelming majority of people here. He is indeed a greater challenge than the wankery of the likes of Bane, Nihilus etc.Sidious still reigns supreme tbh.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceHoly shit, I responded to this but it didn't show up. 😬
Because TFU has shit to do with canon. Like absolute shit. Canon was always the focus, and even if you didn't know that before, you sure as hell do now. Don't play dumb.Snickers.
Again, who gives a **** about the Vader who looses limbs daily?
Feel free to support him then. No one else will.
Anyway, I forgot that our earlier discussion was canon only, and why I brought up TFU which is simply the fact that we didn't get to see the limits of these characters' raw power or how to compare them to each other. TFU is the only medium where GL was at least involved and we get to see the clear comparison of Vader and Sidious.
Other than that, there is the consensus on Maul < Dooku < Vader yet neither is far above the other. Well, we know how Sidious can handle Dooku and Maul (+Savage). So it only makes sense that Sidious who pulled these off before his prime should logically be above Vader by a big gap.
Originally posted by Sinious
Holy shit, I responded to this but it didn't show up. 😬Anyway, I forgot that our earlier discussion was canon only, and why I brought up TFU which is simply the fact that we didn't get to see the limits of these characters' raw power or how to compare them to each other. TFU is the only medium where GL was at least involved and we get to see the clear comparison of Vader and Sidious.
Other than that, there is the consensus on Maul < Dooku < Vader yet neither is far above the other.
Well, we know how Sidious can handle Dooku and Maul (+Savage). So it only makes sense that Sidious who pulled these off before his prime should logically be above Vader by a big gap.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceSince we were talking based on "Vader is %80 of Sidious" quote in the other thread, I assumed I should place that at the center of my argument. So in that context it means everything.
Lucas' opinion means nothing now. As it should be.Kek.
And Dooku was trounced by a weaker version of Vader. You can argue about the "Zone" all you want. He lost.Dooku lost to Anakin in a lightsaber duel. It isn't a clear demonstration of raw power. More importantly, we have no idea how much betterRebels Vader is compared to ROTS Anakin, and considering how Anakin right before that little exchange of words was failing against Dooku to such a degree that he let Dooku kick him to the ground while ragdolling his master, I'd say the "Zone" argument is pretty solid and doesn't really demonstrate what Anakin was capable of in most cases.
Actually, pretty sure Dooku thought he could defeat Sidious with Maul, or Savage for that matter.This was brought up before. Dooku also thought that he became more powerful than Yoda. His opinion hardly matters.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not going to lie, Temp, you shouldn't treat your supports like this unless they're AP.
So sure you are that Temp is the leader by anything but design? Most of us simply allowed him to usurp power.
Then again, I always forget you people don't know who I am in the first place, you all pretend to know Tempest as well.
Ah, the youth of today.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
What Syndicate? You're not gonna post the after, where Sidious is just laughing after Galen's attempts at attacking him?
Granted Sidious is debatably more powerful then Galen at this time but the scan shows he's capable of breaking through Sidious's defenses which was my point.