Originally posted by The_Tempest
That thread of yours is a monument to nonsensical hype tbh.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I've got plenty of issues with Silver's respect threads. Tree-branch TK, anyone?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'd say your behavior suggests you take it pretty darn seriously. 😬
People may have difference in opinion (and such) but to harbor some sort of vendetta against the other over fiction is really cheap.
You behave like as I was your boyfriend once and left you for another and you feel the need to vent regarding me at every given chance...
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Care to point out the issues? Maybe I'll look into them.This is just a single example. What other problems you have with him?
No, problem is that in literally every post of yours, you tend to highlight me in negative fashion. No other member does this or even comes close.
People may have difference in opinion (and such) but to harbor some sort of vendetta against the other over fiction is really cheap.
You behave like as I was your boyfriend once and left you for another and you feel the need to vent regarding me at every given chance...
Tons of issues. All of which have been raised by a dozen posters in the past year.
Silver's got a bad habit of listing every random factoid in his RTs. He's a superb debater, one of the best I've seen. But I think an 8 mile long RT misses the point. And some of the feats are questionable, to say the least: Plagueis's alleged effect on Naboo's winter, Sidious inciting storms on Vjun in YDR, etc.
Honestly, I just sincerely think you're a terrible debater and I don't have any respect for the vast majority of your arguments or positions. Which is more or less what most other posters around here have said. I don't have anything against you personally, I don't dislike you personally, and I'm sure you're an OK dude. And watching you evolve from an earnest but misguided Revan fanboy into a vengeful, hostile SWTOR apologist has been nothing short of entertaining.
In other words, you want to wage total feat wars. That's amateur hour, bro. For a zillion reasons:Yeah, I get what you mean, but this still doesn't justify claims that put Sidious on universe buster level, and absurd arguments like a single codex entry > everything else.Spoiler:
No one who plays feat wars ever plays the game honestly or objectively. Feats matter when they want them to matter. When they don't want them to matter, they set them aside for things like Word of God/accolade/hype/etc. This is also a demonstrably inconsistent franchise: PIS and power creep are liberally-applied tropes in Star Wars storytelling. By the way, which feats count? I spanked Skillz on this subject months ago – it's when he bent the knee – so now he and 'Strap desperately attempt to move the goalpost: "Uh, yeah, OK. Feats matter... but just combat feats. And by combat feats I mean feats used in a 1v1 fight. Because the same TK you use to blow up a starship can't be used against a person in a hypothetical fight. So like Starkiller doesn't count. Because he's confusing." Furthermore, what's that do for the Star Wars Hierarchy? What combat feats do we actually see from, say, The Father, that justifies the status ascribed to him by various LFL authorities and writers. I guess that means Ezra Bridger would really shitstomp Tulak Hord? How about a million other scenarios no one has the balls to entertain? How many times have we seen SWL employ this logic only to cry foul when it's used against him? It oughta be a drinking game tbh.{This, of course, requires the exceedingly generous assumption that Valkoriate really does have better feats than Sheev to begin with.}
What you desire is for me to neuter my own argument and engage in a pointless contest, the premise of which is demonstrably self-defeating. That's not an intellectual challenge, that's not an amusing sparring match, it's quite literally a waste of time. And that's not a game I'm interested in playing.
My argument needn't employ hypocrisy or dishonesty as theirs does: I have the feats, yes, but more importantly, the facts on my side. I won't apologize for that.I agree with Skillz more than I do with anyone else when it comes to SWTOR tbh. His argument isn't as weak as you make it sound.
Which is why I have no intention of bidding for your soul or your allegiance. As our Master does, I simply present you with the facts. If you come to me, you do it of your own accord.I thought you knew that I've completely returned to Sheev. It's been a while. I'm still siding him against Valky too. It was a joke and a sincere request of a better argument.What you do with your weakness is entirely up to you. You can kneel at the altar of His Imperial Majesty and be purified, clarified, and ascended by way of His grace.
Or not.
The choice is yours.
Are you referring to your prolonged season of hormonal imbalance? I am not to be held accountable for your frailties.LMFAO
Originally posted by Sinious
Yeah, I get what you mean,
gewd
Originally posted by Sinious
but this still doesn't justify claims that put Sidious on universe buster level, and absurd arguments like a single codex entry > everything else.
It's not a claim. I'm simply providing what the Comics Companion says. And the argument is pretty well defended, cf. Nihilus.
Originally posted by Sinious
I agree with Skillz more than I do with anyone else when it comes to SWTOR tbh. His argument isn't as weak as you make it sound.
Skillz is great and he's definitely an embodiment of the more respectable side of SWTOR apologia. But his argument is weak in that mine completely destroys it.
Originally posted by Sinious
I thought you knew that I've completely returned to Sheev. It's been a while.
I know that treachery is never far from your heart. You should take greater efforts to purify yourself.
Originally posted by Sinious
I'm still siding him against Valky too. It was a joke and a sincere request of a better argument. LMFAO
The problem is, you're not wanting a better argument, you're wanting an argument like Skillz'. Which is, as I've demonstrated, in fact a weaker argument. Because you are, on some level, very sympathetic to the SWTOR cause.
If not, you should probably better clarify what you want.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not going to lie, Temp, you shouldn't treat your supports like this unless they're AP.All will be forgiven once this crusade is finished.
My true supporters are iron-hearted and they're forged in a harsh crucible. If Sinious is one, he'll appreciate the frankness and become stronger as a result.
I needn't pander and coddle. uhuh
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZWell you know I don't necessarily lowball one to wank the other. I never believed in monogamy anyway. 🙂
Sinious has fully returned to Sidious the same way Derrick Rose returned. He'll be broken again. 🙂
Originally posted by FreshestSliceLOL not sure what you're referring to but it's probably because he doesn't need defending against Vader, like at all.
Sinious can't even defend him against Vader. What hope does he have against the Immortal Emperor?
Originally posted by FreshestSlicengl myself, it would be partially unjust if I said I don't deserve the doubt at all 😮
Not going to lie, Temp, you shouldn't treat your supports like this unless they're AP.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Tons of issues. All of which have been raised by a dozen posters in the past year.
Am I supposed to remember each and every statement of a fellow member since I joined this forum?
I opened this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t624175.html - to get feedback from fellow members. Aside from one member (who appreciated my work b/w), no one else provided meaningful feedback.
I spent hours on a work that isn't really important. How about a token of appreciation and providing meaningful feedback?
It seems that you have forgotten the ethics of debating. You only seem to be interested in taking jabs at others rather then addressing the issues at hand.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Silver's got a bad habit of listing every random factoid in his RTs. He's a superb debater, one of the best I've seen. But I think an 8 mile long RT misses the point. And some of the feats are questionable, to say the least: Plagueis's alleged effect on Naboo's winter, Sidious inciting storms on Vjun in YDR, etc.
Regardless, I don't deny your objectivity [at times]; I agree with your point-of-view about the examples you gave. However, your objectivity clearly goes out of the window when it comes to Valkorion.
Unlike you, I don't cheapen any character. I tend to assess them all objectivity and realistically. I just don't acknowledge hyperboles.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Honestly, I just sincerely think you're a terrible debater and I don't have any respect for the vast majority of your arguments or positions. Which is more or less what most other posters around here have said. I don't have anything against you personally, I don't dislike you personally, and I'm sure you're an OK dude. And watching you evolve from an earnest but misguided Revan fanboy into a vengeful, hostile SWTOR apologist has been nothing short of entertaining.
Great debaters IMO are Beniboybling, Nai and Advent. None are much active though.
Good to know that you don't harbor a grudge against me. But you need to address your issues with me with debates, not jabs.
Originally posted by Sinious
probably because he doesn't need defending against Vader, like at all.
ngl myself, it would be partially unjust if I said I don't deserve the doubt at all 😮
Originally posted by The_TempestYes, but you don't accept the same vague and illogical hype for other characters. Aren't you being a hypocrite here?
It's not a claim. I'm simply providing what the Comics Companion says. And the argument is pretty well defended, cf. Nihilus.
I know that treachery is never far from your heart. You should take greater efforts to purify yourself.
The problem is, you're not wanting a better argument, you're wanting an argument like Skillz'.If not, you should probably better clarify what you want.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceI'm not sure what exactly I'm failing at here. Sidious is a clear superior of Vader. Like I said, in both instances of TFU, Sidious takes care of Vader or Galen rather easily. Sidious also proved how far superior he is to his other apprentices. How far do you have Vader above Dooku? 😬
Doesn't need to, or you don't know how to? Because if you could do it, you'd do it, would you not? You talk about how great Yoda or Sidious are, but give nothing to defend this aside from facing each other. That circular logic has made you as weak as they are in comparison to the Chosen One. Tempest has destroyed you like he did carthage, S66, and so many others.
Heck, in the rest of the Legends, Vader is so utterly dominated by Vader as a character, Vader literally doesn't even get to entertain the THOUGHT of overthrowing his master as he finds himself on his knees and in agony no matter how far he is from Sidious.
Doubt is one thing, but one must hold their assets close given how few in number they are for the Sheev side of things these days.Well not gonna argue with you there!
You've become the monarchy of Spain, clinging to past glories while wallowing in your own filth. It's disgusting.Please, this isn't the first time the original big bad of SW was challenged in his near 40 year long existence. You know I'm familiar with Vitikorion more than the overwhelming majority of people here. He is indeed a greater challenge than the wankery of the likes of Bane, Nihilus etc.
Sidious still reigns supreme tbh.