Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Are you retarded? Of course it is.Yeah, it probably won't be when he's in his early 40s. It's not with everybody else.
Less years than it took Valkorion. How the **** should I know? You still need knowledge to reach that potential. You don't just suddenly become more powerful.
Or you could just accept that no one cares about how you gauge anything.
So your perception is that knowledge = power? It is true to an extent but not entirely.
Darth Vader needs to learn to harness his enormous potential; I don't think that he needs to learn a hundred techniques to harness his enormous potential. He just needs the right kind of knowledge for the said purpose.
Now, Darth Vader is shown visiting many places so if he has time to visit so many places, how come he doesn't finds sources of knowledge other then Palpatine's training that may help him grow further?
Regarding the time needed to realize true potential; Anakin Skywalker progressed from loosing to Count Dooku in Episode II to defeating Count Dooku in Episode III. The timeline between these two episodes would have been like 3 years? So Anakin's progress significantly slowed down in the later years?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You seem to be emotionally invested in this matter. Chill dude.
So your perception is that knowledge = power? It is true to an extent but not entirely.
Darth Vader needs to learn to harness his enormous potential; I don't think that he needs to learn a hundred techniques to harness his enormous potential. He just needs the right kind of knowledge for the said purpose.
Now, Darth Vader is shown visiting many places so if he has time to visit so many places, how come he doesn't finds sources of knowledge other then Palpatine's training that may help him grow further?
Regarding the time needed to realize true potential; Anakin Skywalker progressed from loosing to Count Dooku in Episode II to defeating Count Dooku in Episode III. The timeline between these two episodes would have been like 3 years? So Anakin's progress significantly slowed down in the later years?
I don't think Canon has addressed anything about Vader's potential. Just that he kept growing in power since ROTS. And he was already stupidly powerful by ROTS anyway.
His "Rate of growth" however may have declined. I.e. Without the injuries he may have been as powerful as his Rebels self by the time of LOTS or something. But it's not been addressed so I'm just speculating.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIt's OK, I get it, proving Malgus is more powerful than Vader must be tough these days.
I don't have a problem with power progression of Darth Vader at personal capacity; I do have a problem with inconsistencies that the new revelation (that Darth Vader did not suffer loss of potential due to his injuries) will produce.George Lucas did not envision Darth Vader as a top dog, he envisioned him as a man with flaws and limitations. According to him, Palpatine was the top dog. Lucas's justification for Darth Vader not being able to challenge Palpatine was that the former had suffered a loss of potential due to grave injuries. Lucas's story is about tragedy and redemption. Unfortunately, the writers are deviating from this gist and embracing Dragonballz path; they will ruin the original story in this manner.
Now that the canon writers seek to defy Lucas's perspective of the story, how would they justify Vader not managing to realize his true potential in a span of many years and overthrow Palpatine?
SWTOR is irrelevant in this case because it is not canon.
That's because it's always been the case. 🙂
Originally posted by Darth ThorTbh Vader's connection to the Force having strengthened since ROTS (which could be inferred from Legends anyway) doesn't exactly preclude his overall potential having been cut.
I don't think Canon has addressed anything about Vader's potential. Just that he kept growing in power since ROTS. And he was already stupidly powerful by ROTS anyway.His "Rate of growth" however may have declined. I.e. Without the injuries he may have been as powerful as his Rebels self by the time of LOTS or something. But it's not been addressed so I'm just speculating.
I mean I find it unlikely that Disney would entirely disregard was is essentially a George Lucas concept. *shrug*
Originally posted by Beniboybling
mmmThis one is a bit more fundamental though.
What the actual **** Beni? How is Vader's potential more fundamental than his actual combative level?
Vader being better than virtually everyone from the PT era besides Yoda and Sidious is 180° against GL's intention. Vader's potential still being 200% of Sidious' or only 80% doesn't matter for shit as long as he doesn't reach it...
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Let's be honest, the only real reason George ever insinuated Vader was meant to be a weak feeb was because of '70s choreography and stunt technology that he felt the need to justify creatively.It's like, dude, it's OK to admit your shit was limited at the time.
Agreed tbh.
Also lel at LeG's rant about how making Vader more powerful is screwing up things.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Let's be honest, the only real reason George ever insinuated Vader was meant to be a weak feeb was because of '70s choreography and stunt technology that he felt the need to justify creatively.It's like, dude, it's OK to admit your shit was limited at the time.
Yet everyone insist that Ben Kenobi is shit, while they made ANH Vader a god...
Yeah Disney chose to ignore some of Lucas's more inconsistent statements in favour of protecting the most Iconic villain in movie history. That's too big a jewel for Disney which they will protect.
Still I see nothing Disney has done contradicting the idea that Vader's full potential might have been hindered. After all that was still his and Palpatine's main interest in turning Luke right?
What the actual **** Beni? How is Vader's potential more fundamental than his actual combative level?Well first of all Lucas never implied Vader was weak, merely that he was slow and clunky.Vader being better than virtually everyone from the PT era besides Yoda and Sidious is 180° against GL's intention. Vader's potential still being 200% of Sidious' or only 80% doesn't matter for shit as long as he doesn't reach it...
And second of all its fundamental because it was the driving force behind Sidious choosing Luke over Vader (and Luke's ability to defeat Vader) as his new apprentice:
He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the Dark Side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.
Which really ceases to make sense is Vader is every bit what Palpatine wanted, the literal Chosen One turned to the dark side.