Originally posted by Robtard
It was a slow build, I think losing another dragon/child, Missandei being murdered, Vary's betraying her, Jon not returning her love and the heat of the battle/revenge all so close together made her finally flip all the way.
-Gets turned down for sex
-Starts talking about ruling through fear
-Goes on a killing spree because no one likes her and cant get laid.
They made her into an incel school shooter lol 👆
you are not supposed to feel the fuzzies for dany. really its the starks that adhere to a code everyone else does whatever when the time comes. the only other targaryeans we see or hear about are pretty bad except for maybe jon's daddy and old guy from night's watch and most people don't have much good to say about them.
I don't think Dany is evil, I think that's too simplistic really. she snapped mainly due to bad genes. it seemed like she did not intend to go danky but just happened, like she couldn't pull back if she wanted to..... but she did have a wink wink with greyworm so they might have planned to burn everything, idk. there's some nuance
So the show honestly expects me to believe that this character:
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It just doesn't make sense. Like I said, even if Dany was meant to turn villainous, this level of cruelty seems way too over the top, and simply saying it's in her genes doesn't cut it because Jon and Aemon are Targs, and Tommen was the product of incest, and they didn't become genocidal mass murderers.
Originally posted by Robtard
It was a slow build, I think losing another dragon/child, Missandei being murdered, Vary's betraying her, Jon not returning her love and the heat of the battle/revenge all so close together made her finally flip all the way.Wasn't done with the best writing, but it also wasn't out of nowhere, we've been seeing her slowly Targ out for seasons now.
Agreed. I think much of the outrage about this comes from the Dany fans and their displeasure about their favorite character suddenly becoming a villain. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. Yeah, it could have been built up better but I think it worked well enough. The bigger issue here is when characters like Varys begin turning on her before she loses it.
Anyway, this episode had far bigger problems. Like the fact that Drogon was able to effortlessly destroy the fleet and all the other scorpions whereas last episode he was forced to flee. Or how about those laughable duels, both the Cleganebowl as well as the one between Euron and Jaime.
On that note, I didn't hate what they did with Jaime. A lot of people are angry that they ruined his arc, but I think the fact that he doesn't ultimately escape his "addiction" and fails in his redemption interesting. Not all people can change. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the same arc GRRM intended for him to have.
Originally posted by ares834i think it has more to do with what Danny did when she went bad as opposed to just becoming a villain.
Agreed. I think much of the outrage about this comes from the Dany fans and their displeasure about their favorite character suddenly becoming a villain. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. Yeah, it could have been built up better but I think it worked well enough. The bigger issue here is when characters like Varys begin turning on her before she loses it.Anyway, this episode had far bigger problems. Like the fact that Drogon was able to effortlessly destroy the fleet and all the other scorpions whereas last episode he was forced to flee. Or how about those laughable duels, both the Cleganebowl as well as the one between Euron and Jaime.
On that note, I didn't hate what they did with Jaime. A lot of people are angry that they ruined his arc, but I think the fact that he doesn't ultimately escape his "addiction" and fails in his redemption interesting. Not all people can change. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the same arc GRRM intended for him to have.
If she would have crossed the line in a way that made sense it would have been alot better. The fact that she just decided to slaughter a buttload of innocent people for no reason made no sense for her character.
If she snapped and was willing to kill innocents to achieve her goal it would be one thing. Burn down the Red Keep, sacrifice the people in and around it to get Cersi. Sure. Burn or order the death of the soldiers who already surrendered. Thats fine too. It would have even made more sense for her to turn on Jon and attack the northmen after the battle because in her mind he betrayed her and is now a potential threat to the throne. But what they had her do was just dumb.
Agree with the other stuff. I didnt mind the Jamie arc, having him return to Cersi. Alot of people keep going back to bad, destructive relationships, no matter how bad they know it is.
The shows been so bad lately that during the Clegane fight, when the hound stabbed the mountain thru the face with the dagger and he staggered back, i half expected Arya to spiderman into the scene and jump kick the dagger all the way thru.
Originally posted by samhain
First 3 scorpion bolts fired at a dragon by Euron's fleet all hit the mark, then not one single person can repeat the feat despite hundreds of efforts.
I legit think that we're meant to believe that Dany didn't see Euron's fleet even though she had an aerial advantage, thus allowing Euron to somehow sneak up on her.
Originally posted by Raptor22
i think it has more to do with what Danny did when she went bad as opposed to just becoming a villain.If she would have crossed the line in a way that made sense it would have been alot better. The fact that she just decided to slaughter a buttload of innocent people for no reason made no sense for her character.
If she snapped and was willing to kill innocents to achieve her goal it would be one thing. Burn down the Red Keep, sacrifice the people in and around it to get Cersi. Sure. Burn or order the death of the soldiers who already surrendered. Thats fine too. It would have even made more sense for her to turn on Jon and attack the northmen after the battle because in her mind he betrayed her and is now a potential threat to the throne. But what they had her do was just dumb.
Agree with the other stuff. I didnt mind the Jamie arc, having him return to Cersi. Alot of people keep going back to bad, destructive relationships, no matter how bad they know it is.
The shows been so bad lately that during the Clegane fight, when the hound stabbed the mountain thru the face with the dagger and he staggered back, i half expected Arya to spiderman into the scene and jump kick the dagger all the way thru.
Exactly. Daenerys performing ruthless deeds to seize the throne is understandable, but the genocide she performed was beyond OOC. Daenerys has always shown a fondness for defenseless innocents, and especially women and children, regardless of who rules them. Watching her massacre innocents, with the only justification being that she was pissed that Missandei died and Jon didn't give her any dick, is unjustifiably baffling.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Bran totally made her do it. Heard it here first
That honestly would be an amazing twist, if Bran was trying to force Jon to accept his destiny by warging into Dany. The finale will be Jon trying to kill Bran, who will have mind controlled the entirety of Winterfell to be his army. In the finale, Jon is about to die, but Arya sneaks behind Bran and kills him, ending the Winterfell Warg.
Anything would be better than this crap.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Exactly. Daenerys performing ruthless deeds to seize the throne is understandable, but the genocide she performed was beyond OOC. Daenerys has always shown a fondness for defenseless innocents, and especially women and children, regardless of who rules them. Watching her massacre innocents, with the only justification being that she was pissed that Missandei died and Jon didn't give her any dick, is unjustifiably baffling.
She is insane. She snapped. They "woke the dragon" so to speak and she wanted to rage, and burn, and destroy. And so she did. The fact that she appears to have a fondness for innocents is irrelevant because, let me reiterate, she is insane. Now perhaps they didn't tease her insanity enough, that is fair. But it being OOC really isn't in this case.
And no, the "only justification" isn't because of Missandei's death and Jon rejecting her. There were numerous factors contributing to her snap beyond that from betrayals, to learning she is not the rightful heir, as well as the death of two of her "children" and her closest friends.
Originally posted by BackFirewell so many bad things happened to her in a very short amount of time.
I don't have a problem with the idea of Dany going insane, in fact I like that idea very much, there have been hints and foreshadowing having to do with that since the start. It's just the execution was so poorly thought out and felt very rushed here, it didn't make sense.
The first time she lost someone super close was Barristan.
She put her faith in Tyrion and she felt wronged because of his ****-up.