Game of Thrones

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Originally posted by ares834
She is insane. She snapped. They "woke the dragon" so to speak and she wanted to rage, and burn, and destroy. And so she did. The fact that she appears to have a fondness for innocents is irrelevant because, let me reiterate, she is insane. Now perhaps they didn't tease her insanity enough, that is fair. But it being OOC really isn't in this case.

And no, the "only justification" isn't because of Missandei's death and Jon rejecting her. There were numerous factors contributing to her snap beyond that from betrayals, to learning she is not the rightful heir, as well as the death of two of her "children" and her closest friends.

N1gga, what? A couple things:
1. You're trying to throw out 8 seasons of complex character development by just calling her "insane". That's like saying that the Night King isn't an underwritten villain with no motivation, he's just "demonic".
2. You're saying that a variety of factors led to her death, yet you can't specify which one. Fiction tends to work via cause and effect/action and reaction. Dany's reaction here is entirely unprovoked considering the city surrendered. You say that she snapped because of deaths and betrayals, but she has faced deaths of her friends/dragons and betrayals before and never has she turned into a genocidal maniac. When Khal Drogo or Viserion died and when Jorah was revealed to be a spy, she never took out her rage on innocent civilians for the lulz. As far as her illegitimacy to the throne, anybody with a brain would know that the cure for that is secrecy and good publicity, which she was already doing last episode when she gave Gendry Storm's End. The only other factor is Jon not giving her dick, which, not to sound like an SJW, is kind of a misogynistic assertion that a female leader would destroy her entire political reputation and commit horrific atrocities just because of dem pesky feminine emotions.

Like I said earlier, there are ways to depict her as villainous, such as attempting to kill those who expose her secret, but an outright massacre does not seem like a decision that her character would make and instead feels like the writers trying to subvert expectations for contrived shock value.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Dany started becoming insane in Season 7, but shes always been slightly unhinged and quick to anger.

Being angered at incompetence isn't the same as massacring the families of a surrendered enemy. And like I said earlier, as far as her execution of the Tarlys, they were enemies who refused to surrender, no different than Jon executing Olly. There was never an indication that she was a monstrous mass murderer

Originally posted by Lestov16
N1gga, what? A couple things:
1. You're trying to throw out 8 seasons of complex character development by just calling her "insane". That's like saying that the Night King isn't an underwritten villain with no motivation, he's just "demonic".

The comparison doesn't work. Like I said, if you don't think there was enough foreshadowing her insanity or, as BackFire claimed, there wasn't enough build up to it then that is fair. But an insane character acting "OOC" shouldn't be a surprise.

Originally posted by Lestov16
2. You're saying that a variety of factors led to her death, yet you can't specify which one. Fiction tends to work via cause and effect/action and reaction. Dany's reaction here is entirely unprovoked considering the city surrendered. You say that she snapped because of deaths and betrayals, but she has faced deaths of her friends and dragons and betrayals before and never has she turned into a genocidal maniac. When Khal Drogo or Viserion died and when Jorah was revealed to be a spy, she never took out her rage on innocent civilians for the lulz. As far as her illegitimacy to the throne, anybody with a brain would know that the cure for that is secrecy and good publicity, which she was already doing last episode when she gave Gendry Storm's End. The only other factor is Jon not giving her dick, which, not to sound like an SJW, is kind of a misogynistic assertion that a female leader would destroy her entire political reputation and commit horrific atrocities just because of dem pesky feminine emotions.

The fact that their is a multitude of issue that lead to Daenerys snapping isn't a flaw. To pretend it is is ridiculous. Yes, she has faced deaths and betrayals before. But never so many in such a short time. Pretty much everyone close to her died or betrayed her and then she faced multiple setbacks. She has almost no one that she can rely on or to support her at this time.

And no, it's too late for secrecy. Varys seems to have sent out a few letters trying to build up support for Jon and, even if he hadn't, Sansa would see to it that word got out. But just as big of an impact for Dany is the personal blow that this is. She has built up much of her identity on the fact that she is the rightful Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and that the people will accept and love her. Yet when she comes over to Westeros they hate her and she learns that she isn't even the rightful ruler. That has to be a terrible blow.

She snapped when she felt the walls closing in around her, just like her daddy did. Had a bit of a "Burn them all!" moment.

Originally posted by ares834
The comparison doesn't work. Like I said, if you don't think there was enough foreshadowing her insanity or, as BackFire claimed, there wasn't enough build up to it then that is fair. But an insane character acting "OOC" shouldn't be a surprise.

The fact that their is a multitude of issue that lead to Daenerys snapping isn't a flaw. To pretend it is is ridiculous. Yes, she has faced deaths and betrayals before. But never so many in such a short time. Pretty much everyone close to her died or betrayed her and then she faced multiple setbacks. She has almost no one that she can rely on or to support her at this time.

Do you know who else has been through that? Jon, and yet he's not suddenly a homicidal maniac. And what do you mean setbacks? THE CITY SURRENDERED.

Originally posted by ares834
And no, it's too late for secrecy. Varys seems to have sent out a few letters trying to build up support for Jon and, even if he hadn't, Sansa would see to it that word got out. But just as big of an impact for Dany is the personal blow that this is. She has built up much of her identity on the fact that she is the rightful Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and that the people will accept and love her. Yet when she comes over to Westeros they hate her and she learns that she isn't even the rightful ruler. That has to be a terrible blow.

Again, anger at being disinherited doesn't equated into genocide of surrendered civilians.

Jon isn't insane. It's that simple. As for setbacks, taking the city is only the first step she still has to rule and bring in the other kingdoms into line.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Again, anger at being disinherited doesn't equated into genocide of surrendered civilians.

Yes, it does for an unstable Targ. Look at what her father tried to do when he realized he was about to lose power.

So how/did Sersi die?

Originally posted by Talon Fang
So how/did Sersi die?

The Rock laid the smackdown on her and Jaime

Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
The Rock laid the smackdown on her and Jaime

It was a lame death. She deserved something much more epic.

Is this how it happened in the books because this sucks.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Is this how it happened in the books because this sucks.
No, in the books Jaime's golden hand by this point was replaced with a magic sword hand and he used it to destroy the rubble to escort him and Cersei to safety.

Qyburn also implemented a way to configure it into a Benelli M4 Super 90 pump-action tactical shotgun. He uses it to kill Vargo Hoat's bear and save Brienne at Harenhall.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, in the books Jaime's golden hand by this point was replaced with a magic sword hand and he used it to destroy the rubble to escort him and Cersei to safety.

Liar.

His hand shoots lasers. Blasted the rubble to atoms.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
She snapped when she felt the walls closing in around her, just like her daddy did. Had a bit of a "Burn them all!" moment.
But why did bells ringing signify the walls closing in on her? There's zero explanation given for why THAT was the specific trigger and not anything else.

This whole season seems poorly thought out and very rushed! Much like your outfits! diva

Originally posted by BackFire
I don't have a problem with the idea of Dany going insane, in fact I like that idea very much, there have been hints and foreshadowing having to do with that since the start. It's just the execution was so poorly thought out and felt very rushed here, it didn't make sense.

I’m sure😂

Originally posted by ares834
Reminder: There are hundreds of people who named their daughters Khaleesi.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, in the books Jaime's golden hand by this point was replaced with a magic sword hand and he used it to destroy the rubble to escort him and Cersei to safety.
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