Originally posted by AuraAngelRemember Grey Worm and Missandrei, they're portrayed pretty positively. I disagree. Plus this show is inspired from medieval European history and is therefore focused on white people for that reason. Also red viper was an awesome character for those three episodes.
Most people will tell you it is because she is tough and cool.I'll tell you that it is because she's a pretty white lady and that this show rarely portrays minorities/ladies in a positive manner.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Remember Grey Worm and Missandrei, they're portrayed pretty positively. I disagree. Plus this show is inspired from medieval European history and is therefore focused on white people for that reason. Also red viper was an awesome character for those three episodes.
Grey Worm is a mindless drone of a person because he had humanity beaten out of him. Hard to make him loathsome. Missandei is nice but they also aged up a 12 year old character, mostly so we can see Grey Worm checking out her boobies. It's tragic ya see. Cause he has no penis.
Yes it is based on Europe and yes we mostly follow the white people around...but the thing about this show is that it justifies most of the negative stereotypes that the white people have. Any positive portrayal can and is countered with one single word: Dorne. Everyone in Dorne is either batshit insane(The Sand Snakes, Ellaria, the guards working for Doran apparently) or utterly inept(Doran, Hotah, Trystane). When Bronn says that the Dornish are crazy people who only want to fight and **** he is 100% right and the entire plot of Dorne is centered around 4 WoC trying to kill an innocent white girl(We don't hurt little girls in Dorne right Oberyn?) while the men try and sort things out like adults. Except Larry Jaime. He somehow thinks sneaking in is a good idea. Be gentle with him, he's kinda slow.
In a show chock full with loathsome characters, the fact that some of them happen to be minorities isn't surprising. The dothraki are meant to reflect the more savage tribes in Africa and the Middle East, but there are still many good characters like the women in the temple. Dorn is probably a reference to the very free spirited intellectuals in Muslim Spain, but the show just does a bad job making its characters compelling.
There's probably no conscious agenda in the GoT writers room to make people of color look bad, some of it is by circumstance and some of it is just bad writing.
Yup.... things have finally started moving again.
Season 4 and 5 had its moments. But as a whole it kinda lingered. A lot of people got killed, but the killings didn't get us very far plot wise.
Robb and his family killed... there were the revolution against King's Landing. Having them killed stopped the revolution i.e. the major conflict. The other great threat to King's Landing was Daenarys... she got boring despite having THREE dragons... and stalled in Mereen.
Tywin's death didn't do much. The only thing that kinda toppled things a little bit was Sparrow's religious revolution, but only within the borders of Kings' Landing.
Nothing much happened between Season 3 and now. But things seems to be moving... unless people get abruptly killed again.
Originally posted by queeq
Tywin's death didn't do much. The only thing that kinda toppled things a little bit was Sparrow's religious revolution, but only within the borders of Kings' Landing.
Could be argued that if Tywin didn't die, the religious freaks wouldn't have been allowed to become as powerful a presence as they are today.
Can you imagine Tywin doing nothing while family members are taken prisoner. He didn't give many shits about Tyrion, but still had a problem with his capture.
Originally posted by queeqWe'll have to disagree there. I think his death was one of the most impactful, like Ned. If we was still around the Sparrows wouldn't exist, and the Boltons wouldn't dare pull the coup their pulling now, and he'd likely have Dorne under control. It is also leading to the fall of House Lannister. This entire season wouldn't be happening if not for his death, and Kings Landing would actually probably see peace under Tommen until Dany shows up. Tywin dying gave everyone else the balls to make power plays to fill the vacuum of his absence.
Tywin's death didn't do much. The only thing that kinda toppled things a little bit was Sparrow's religious revolution, but only within the borders of Kings' Landing.
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@Lestov - probably something the show's not going to have time to answer in any depth, if at all. That's the textbook definition of the kind of thing book readers can fill in, but show watchers will never hear about.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
We'll have to disagree there. I think his death was one of the most impactful, like Ned. If we was still around the Sparrows wouldn't exist, and the Boltons wouldn't dare pull the coup their pulling now, and he'd likely have Dorne under control. It is also leading to the fall of House Lannister. This entire season wouldn't be happening if not for his death, and Kings Landing would actually probably see peace under Tommen until Dany shows up. Tywin dying gave everyone else the balls to make power plays to fill the vacuum of his absence.
This. Tywin's massive, iron balls balanced the realms by themselves. Cersei let the High Sparrow off his leash. That whole storyline doesn't exist if Tywin's still around.
Originally posted by Lestov16
So whatever happened to Stannis' debt to the Iron Bank? Is that simply considered wasted cash, or is there somebody who will inherit the debt? Also, what will happen to the territory and subjects of Stannis' kingdom? Are they under Bolton control now or do they have their own interim ruler?
Also depends a lot on the outcome of who ultimately wins the Iron Throne. If the Lannisters claim stands, I believe Tommen would be the next in line to be the Lord of Storm's End, but since he is the head of the House Baratheon anyways it belongs to him in that scenario anyways. If someone else wins the throne and wanted to reinstate the House Baratheon (Tommen not being a Baratheon in that case), I would think the most logical next candidate in the books would be Robert Baratheon's bastard Edric Storm.
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In the books both Shireen and Myrcella are still alive as of yet, so that would complicate it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Could be argued that if Tywin didn't die, the religious freaks wouldn't have been allowed to become as powerful a presence as they are today.Can you imagine Tywin doing nothing while family members are taken prisoner. He didn't give many shits about Tyrion, but still had a problem with his capture.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
We'll have to disagree there. I think his death was one of the most impactful, like Ned. If we was still around the Sparrows wouldn't exist, and the Boltons wouldn't dare pull the coup their pulling now, and he'd likely have Dorne under control. It is also leading to the fall of House Lannister. This entire season wouldn't be happening if not for his death, and Kings Landing would actually probably see peace under Tommen until Dany shows up. Tywin dying gave everyone else the balls to make power plays to fill the vacuum of his absence.
Originally posted by Digi
@Lestov - probably something the show's not going to have time to answer in any depth, if at all. That's the textbook definition of the kind of thing book readers can fill in, but show watchers will never hear about.This. Tywin's massive, iron balls balanced the realms by themselves. Cersei let the High Sparrow off his leash. That whole storyline doesn't exist if Tywin's still around.
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The fallout of Tywin's death was handled a bit quieter compared to Ned's, but that's mostly because when we picked up again in season 5, Tywin's been dead for days/weeks. We didn't witness the immediate reactions of Westeros.
That said, the dialogue from the characters and writers were pretty clear on how impactful it was: Kevan flat-out said the Sparrows wouldn't have dared come to King's Landing if Tywin was alive; Stannis's whole impetus for invading the North was because "Tywin Lannister is dead, he can't protect them now"; and Littlefinger and Roose are actively plotting because with Tywin's death, "the Lannister name doesn't mean what it once did." Benioff/Weiss said in one of their commentaries that Tywin's death has emboldened Margaery to defy Cersei and assert her position as the Queen.
Basically, the entire fvcked up status quo in Westeros is ultimately a consequence of Tywin's absence.