Game of Thrones

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
he also said he's not into telling a story about an evil dark lord vs the good guys, which seems exactly where all this is headed in the show.

Now that their origin is revealed (and it was lame), they're suddenly a lot less interesting. The mystery was the best part.

Concerning Hodor's sacrifice did he have any part of it? Or was it all Bran controlling him? His facial expression seemed like he was partially in control, but could have been Bran feeling guilty knowing he was sacrificing his friend.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Now that their origin is revealed (and it was lame), they're suddenly a lot less interesting. The mystery was the best part.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The Walkers-are-the-Children's-children thing feels like it was made up kinda rashly, and recently. Like, Martin hadn't thought of a compelling origin for them yet and someone pitched him that idea and he went along with it. Seemed really shoehorned in and mentioned off-handedly, like just to get it out of the way.

Now that their origin is revealed (and it was lame), they're suddenly a lot less interesting. The mystery was the best part.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The Walkers-are-the-Children's-children thing feels like it was made up kinda rashly, and recently. Like, Martin hadn't thought of a compelling origin for them yet and someone pitched him that idea and he went along with it. Seemed really shoehorned in and mentioned off-handedly, like just to get it out of the way.

Now that their origin is revealed (and it was lame), they're suddenly a lot less interesting. The mystery was the best part.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The Walkers-are-the-Children's-children thing feels like it was made up kinda rashly, and recently. Like, Martin hadn't thought of a compelling origin for them yet and someone pitched him that idea and he went along with it. Seemed really shoehorned in and mentioned off-handedly, like just to get it out of the way.

Now that their origin is revealed (and it was lame), they're suddenly a lot less interesting. The mystery was the best part.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The Walkers-are-the-Children's-children thing feels like it was made up kinda rashly, and recently. Like, Martin hadn't thought of a compelling origin for them yet and someone pitched him that idea and he went along with it. Seemed really shoehorned in and mentioned off-handedly, like just to get it out of the way.

Now that their origin is revealed (and it was lame), they're suddenly a lot less interesting. The mystery was the best part.

lets not just assume GRRM had any part in the decision. remember that the show writers can alter whatever they please and they have altered a LOT. also remember that GRRM has had like zero creative input in the show for years now. this has D&D's stink all over it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
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Originally posted by Bashar Teg
lets not just assume GRRM had any part in the decision. remember that the show writers can alter whatever they please and they have altered a LOT. also remember that GRRM has had like zero creative input in the show for years now. this has D&D's stink all over it.

If that's what happened then I feel bad for the book readers if Martin includes it the novels. If he does, I hope he turns it into something wicked awesome and beautiful as a retroactive middle-finger to the writers and impatient fans who demand he just get it done already, subtlety be damned.

you're mistaken in thinking that GRRM is in a position to 'ok' anything. he simply told D&D everything he knew of how it ends and the origins of characters, but he had no authority to assert anything. GRRM has nothing to do with the last 2 seasons or the next one (2?).

almost the same situation as with george lucas and 'the force awakens'...but without all the hard feelings.

Then I hope he completely changes that origin. If the story's overall quality keeps dipping like this, it'd be funny as hell if the last novels veer in a totally different path.

i'm confident that it will be completely different and satisfyingly complex. the show writers are clearly rushing to the goal line since they only have 2 partial-seasons left to wrap it all up. when you consider that 'a storm of swords' took up all of seasons 3 and 4, and the next 2 unreleased books will likely each be longer than that, it's all but certain that we'll be contented (and more severely heartbroken/trolled).

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Then I hope he completely changes that origin. If the story's overall quality keeps dipping like this, it'd be funny as hell if the last novels veer in a totally different path.

GRRM said in an interview recently that there's a huge twist in winds of winter involving a character already killed off in the show.

Looks more and more like the show and book will diverge a lot before finishing at roughly the same place.

I was pretty hyped to see Walder Frey and Benjen again. Also, Randyll Tarly is on point. Sam stealing his sword is a stupid move that will likely bite him in the ass in a big way. He pulled a lot of impulsive stupid moves this episode. I think his arc is moving towards killing him off. With Jon gone, there's no point in him returning to the wall. The show is nearing its end too, so the Wall wont be there for much longer once the White Walkers come. His arc is going somewhere else. Or maybe they're setting up towards being Maester of Winterfell once Jon and Sansa take it back.

Anyone remember when Westeros was a misogynistic society?

Does misogyny only exist when Cersei has to deal with it to be a victim?

Spoiler:
Well played, High Sparrow.

Tywin would have eaten this motherfvcker alive.

Liked the propaganda play.

So wonder what happens to Arya now.

Well Jaime being sent to the Riverlands is a return to the books. Pretty sure they brought up the Brotherhood without Banners for a reason. Same with Brienne being sent there by Sansa as well.

so, is Dany heading for the IronBorn?

The Ironborn are more likely heading for her, and given she apparently isn't above using a horde of rapists and murderers to conquer the Seven Kingdoms, I somehow doubt she'll have any qualms about enlisting the aid of pirates, though I question if she'd take someone like Euron for a husband.

I read an article that speculated that Dany isn't supposed to be a hero, and that she may be the secondary villain of the story after the White Walkers. In that case, it wouldn't be a song of ice in fire in that fire triumphs over ice as we've thought, but rather it will be about surviving and overcoming both fire (Dany and her dragons) and ice (the White Walkers and their wights).