Originally posted by cdtm
Want to say Batman 1 Million, as I'm sure space karate from his era is vastly improved to the 31st century stuff Val knows.But the truth is, there aren't enough feats for Batman.
Shows what you know, Val learned a type of karate that allows him to learn any kind of karate that will ever be invented.
Originally posted by Surtur
Of course the person Batman 1M is doing that to is vastly less powerful then KK.
Batman has stalemated one version of KK and made the other one look like Rihanna.
Robin has taken on KK and his ally in Trapped in Time animated movie, lol. Kid will never be on Batgod's level.
Exactly. 👆
That level of skill(both physical and metaphysical) + that level intellect(IQ=1045) + that level of tech(ability to create 'avatars', flight, soul-stealing, a suit with massive computation capability, teleportation, etc.)? Yeah, B1M stomps decisively.
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On the tech note, B1M also carries around equipment that allows him to instantly teleport others to Tesseract Space:
http://i.imgur.com/D9qTxh9.jpg
...And unless your name is "Lobo", you're not getting out of there unaided.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman has stalemated one version of KK and made the other one look like Rihanna.Robin has taken on KK and his ally in Trapped in Time animated movie, lol. Kid will never be on Batgod's level.
Batman fight him some other time then Lightning Saga and Brave and the Bold? Because the way I remember it, B&B was an embarressment for Val, but Lightning Saga he needed Black Lightning to bail him out.
Originally posted by cdtm
Batman fight him some other time then Lightning Saga and Brave and the Bold? Because the way I remember it, B&B was an embarressment for Val, but Lightning Saga he needed Black Lightning to bail him out.
Originally posted by Galan007
Bruce and Val fought twice in pre-Flashpoint continuity.The first time was in Brave and the Bold #05:
http://i.imgur.com/iM3egth.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cb4HqmV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0zQ2Ifg.jpgThe battle was a stalemate for the most part, before it was interrupted.
Soon afterward they fought again in JLA #08("The Lightning Saga"😉:
http://i.imgur.com/WwyVRGg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ud2Axt8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/75fkIRI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KBjAroN.jpgThis time we learned that Clark had ranked KK as a class 15 fighter(for a point of comparison, Batman himself was ranked as a class 12.) And despite multiple cutscenes, KK appeared to have a decisive edge this time--he was only stopped when Black Lightning suckered him from behind.
Countdown #50 retold the above battle--this time without the cutscenes:
http://i.imgur.com/ZGjZ5p2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xTSBD2A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/159WdXO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LFoz78c.jpgBruce performed admirably, but KK was still shown to have the clear advantage. In fact, after the battle Black Lightning said that Clark got it wrong: KK should be a class 25 fighter, not a class 15. Lol.
*Even though these fights occurred the same year(2007), from an in-universe POV the issue of Brave and the Bold was set BEFORE The Lightning Saga:
http://i.imgur.com/7X8eEUI.jpg
Originally posted by Galan007
Exactly. 👆That level of skill(both physical and metaphysical) + that level intellect(IQ=1045) + that level of tech(ability to create 'avatars', flight, soul-stealing, a suit with massive computation capability, teleportation, etc.)? Yeah, B1M stomps decisively.
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On the tech note, B1M also carries around equipment that allows him to instantly teleport others to Tesseract Space:
http://i.imgur.com/D9qTxh9.jpg
...And unless your name is "Lobo", you're not getting out of there unaided.
On top of that, he seems to have a device that reforms broken structures (as seen in his left hand, when sucking Bruce).
How it works, and how it applies to the fight, I do not know. Does it rewind time in a localised bubble? Does it manipulate matter? Anybody's guess, unless there is more info out there. But it's a neat little trick all the same.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman has stalemated one version of KK and made the other one look like Rihanna.Robin has taken on KK and his ally in Trapped in Time animated movie, lol. Kid will never be on Batgod's level.
Deathstroke beat a JLA team consisting of Flash and Green Lantern too. Spider-Man beat Firelord.
People keep bringing up the low showings for KK as if it means something.
The scan posted of Batman 1M absolutely does not in any way show he could automatically defeat KK operating at the levels he normally operates on. If this is KK via when he jobbed to Batman then okay, Batman 1M wins.
This is what every KK thread boils down to: low balling him by bringing up the Batman feat. Let's ignore 90% of showings because Batman totally one time beat him, because Batman isn't the biggest fanwanked character by comic writers?
Actually you are the one who came and posted a scan of Batman 1M and said it showed why he won. So isn't on you to show why? Since again: doing it to Batman is not the same as doing it to Karate Kid.
So keeping in mind his speed and strength, why would this work on Karate Kid? If you don't know his speed and strength, why would you assume it would automatically work?
It's not even like Batman 1M did this to a combat ready Batman. They are talking and then the dude turns around and uses..whatever the f*ck that is.
