Originally posted by Surtur
But you could just as easily take it to mean the beam has a physical impact on you and effects you telepathically. Why is this automatically an attack that must move at the speed of thought.
Then...what's the kick for? Is B1M now doing THREE things simultaneously? A kick, and firing a beam that simultaneously punches you AND mindphucks you?
IOW, a teleKINETIC attack? But no words to that effect were used.
And how fast would this 'partial' TP attack be moving at, now?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then...what's the kick for? Is B1M now doing THREE things simultaneously? A kick, and firing a beam that simultaneously punches you AND mindphucks you?IOW, a teleKINETIC attack? But no words to that effect were used.
And how fast would this 'partial' TP attack be moving at, now?
Maybe he just followed up with a kick? Also EXACTLY, we don't know how fast it is! Why are we acting like we do?
Nothing about it looks fast, but this move we don't know much about is something we can sit here and put a speed figure on?
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Originally posted by Galan007
Christ almighty... It's the SAME attack. He just mindphucks you while he simultaneously attacks you physically.This is not a hard concept to grasp. Seriously. srsly
...And arguing that TP doesn't move at the speed of thought is... A pretty strange logic, tbh. If it doesn't move at the speed of thought, then how fast do you think it moves..? none
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because we are going by the dialogue.It says its telepathic. So....travels at the speed of telepathy. I.e. thought.
If you want to argue it is ALSO physical, sure. Photons have mass. They can have a physical effect (solar sails). They travel at the speed of light.
But it says it's partially telepathic. The dialogue doesn't say the kick is part of it or anything like that. The dialogue does not give us any indication of how fast his move works.
So your argument is either it's the speed of thought or the speed of light lol. There is nothing left to say, at this point why do people on this board use the character of KK? They clearly can't accept him for whatever reason, but now if Batman does some stupid shit with karate it's okay.
Why use him if it's going to be "lol he got beat by batman" essentially every time?
Originally posted by Galan007
.......And arguing that TP doesn't move at the speed of thought is... A pretty strange logic, tbh. If it doesn't move at the speed of thought, then how fast do you think it moves..? none
You chide me for not reading posts, but then don't read them yourself. Since once again: I've said I don't think it's 100% TP. Where did I say telepathy doesn't move at the speed of thought? I've said partially telepathic karate beams that steal your soul don't move that quick.
Your reaction is to behave like I just said 2+2 actually equals 5.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Dont condescend. I just asked a question why are u soo...defensive? So this happened on panel? A bolt of lightning was infused with the speed force? Ive never seen it thats y i asked
Lol are you f*cking with me or what? I have seen you reply in far more nasty a manner to people asking simple questions, etc. It's a thing you do, and yet if someone is "defensive" with you you're truly shocked.
I can't tell if you truly don't realize how you behave or if you're just joking around.
Originally posted by SurturMy reaction is one of slight frustration, given that you are making such a cut-and-dry scene WAY more complicated than it should be.
You chide me for not reading posts, but then don't read them yourself. Since once again: I've said I don't think it's 100% TP. Where did I say telepathy doesn't move at the speed of thought? I've said partially telepathic karate beams that steal your soul don't move that quick.Your reaction is to behave like I just said 2+2 actually equals 5.
Again: It's the SAME attack. He just mindphucks you while he simultaneously attacks you physically--we literally SAW him doing this. The whole time you've been acting like the TP portion of the attack inextricably relates to physicality, thus we can't quantify how fast it travels. That's just silly. TP travels at the speed of thought. That much is a rudimentary concept, and I legitimately don't know why you're arguing it? Do you want KK to win that badly, or what?
Also, the soul-stealing move has NOTHING to do with the aforementioned. B1M used a different piece of his standard equipment/tech to accomplish that... Which came AFTER he'd already incapacitated Bruce with his Physical/Metaphysical move. 👆
But again, I have said I don't believe it's 100% telepathic. You can disagree, but it's dishonest to say I'm saying telepathy isn't at the speed of thought. It shows a lack of reading posts, which is the same thing you tossed out at me.
I think the scan could be interpreted in a number of different ways, but no I actually don't care enough about KK to continually argue it. I just find it silly that whatever Batman does there is something people assume you need some high end level of super speed to dodge.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol are you f*cking with me or what? I have seen you reply in far more nasty a manner to people asking simple questions, etc. It's a thing you do, and yet if someone is "defensive" with you you're truly shocked.I can't tell if you truly don't realize how you behave or if you're just joking around.
Ok so you're on your period. Got it.
Can someone ELSE explain to me what happened? Was the bolt of lightning infused with the speed force?
No, you honestly can't interpret the scene/statement multiple ways unless you're really trying to look for ways to downplay or w/e. B1M explicitly states the attack is physical AND telepathic. IOW, he attacks your body AND your mind simultaneously--again we literally SAW him doing this.
The telepathic portion of the attack is just that: telepathic... And telepathy works at the speed of thought.
So yeah, you can believe whatever you want, but your logic here doesn't make any sense. I think you're of the opinion that people are trying to give B1M unwarranted wank. That is not the case at all.
Galan, the main question here, imo, is could Batman 1mil's hold his with a Superman, Mon El, or Ultra Boy. Does he have the feats to support this?
Because Val essentially = a Kryptonain, in speed, strength, striking power, and durability. Many seem to either forget that, or disregard his better feats when he's not taking on Superboy. Slade Wilson, Captain America, Black Panther, and Iron Fist have been argued as able to beat him due to double standard logic..
But he really is a "faux street", looking at the big picture. A ringer. Not perfectly on Kal's tier, of course.. He can be dropped be energy as easily as any human, for example.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok so you're on your period. Got it.
But wait does this mean you are always PMS'ing then? It explains a lot. You want a brownie? I remember this one commercial about a PMS drug and the chick was all "grrr I'm on my period I want a brownie". Do you want a brownie?
Originally posted by Zack M
He looked superior to Batman.
He is actually superior to Batman. We certainly pretend he isn't, as long as I can post a "Deathstroke vs Green Lantern and Flash" fight and people come and say Deathstroke wins.
Originally posted by cdtmAre you joking? If Val had Kryptonian stats, Bruce would have been dealt with effortlessly. srsly
Galan, the main question here, imo, is could Batman 1mil's hold his with a Superman, Mon El, or Ultra Boy. Does he have the feats to support this?Because Val essentially = a Kryptonain, in speed, strength, striking power, and durability. Many seem to either forget that, or disregard his better feats when he's not taking on Superboy.
B1M has the skill/know-how to down Bruce with a single attack, and the standard tech to compete with top-tiers.
So you're saying a human who knows space karate being equal to some of the strongest/fastest aliens in comic book history, os ok....
But being on the level of another human is PIS?
And then, wait, let me get this straight....in the same breath, decry ANOTHER human knowing space karate as stupid?
I mean, you still haven't said what KK can do for a win. But endlessly be on the defensive, and try to downplay B1M instead.....