Batman 1M Vs Karate Kid

No I'm just being crazy and saying take a character as their whole and don't lowball them by constantly bringing up low end feats. Which some people were thumbing motherf*ckers up for the "he got beat by Batman" thing.

I think my point was KK avoids his beam and punches his head off. But we couldn't agree on the speed of the attack and thus there is no point to continue. Neither of us could really concretely prove the speed of the attack either way, and it's obviously the only chance Batman has at winning so..you see the dilemma? For instance we both know KK even has other speed feats besides the whole speed force lightning thing, but why bother?

I mean dude you sort of responded like you find the Deathstroke showings legit? If I made Deathstroke vs Flash, would you be one of the people saying he wins? The reason I find the Deathstroke thing silly is because of how he is normally portrayed, and likewise KK is normally portrayed as far above Batman. I have to believe deep down you know this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Phuck sake, Galan, I will only explain this once, as it's your birthday:

KK = Kryptonians, and = Batman.

B1M >>> Batman, and therefore, >>>Kryptonians.

Galan if I post Batman vs Karate Kid as a topic right now, what would be your response to it?

Originally posted by Surtur
No I'm just being crazy and saying take a character as their whole and don't lowball them by constantly bringing up low end feats. Which some people were thumbing motherf*ckers up for the "he got beat by Batman" thing.

I think my point was KK avoids his beam and punches his head off. But we couldn't agree on the speed of the attack and thus there is no point to continue. Neither of us could really concretely prove the speed of the attack either way, and it's obviously the only chance Batman has at winning so..you see the dilemma? For instance we both know KK even has other speed feats besides the whole speed force lightning thing, but why bother?

I mean dude you sort of responded like you find the Deathstroke showings legit? If I made Deathstroke vs Flash, would you be one of the people saying he wins? The reason I find the Deathstroke thing silly is because of how he is normally portrayed, and likewise KK is normally portrayed as far above Batman. I have to believe deep down you know this.

Erm, no I didn't? And never thumbed people up for the Batman beating him thing.

Over 500m. Long distance. B1M can create multiple clones (here, there are a dozen):

Which can be intangible, or physical, with the skills of the original:

Go invisible:

Control gravity (so sure, he could make KK lighter - or heavier. Yes, I know KK has his Legion Flight Ring):

And if we want to talk speedsters, here he is taking Johnny Quick, a guy known for blitzing right out the bat AND going for the kill, out:

So again, over 500m, B1M can create multiple clones with a wave of his hand, have some of them control gravity, others using TP octopi attacks, spam neurotoxins etc etc, whilst the REAL B1M goes invisible and cloaked, and takes KK out.

Bear in mind, as few appearances as KK has, B1M has even fewer. So 'OOC' type arguments won't be able to be used here.

I said some people thumbed him up not you, but same question: I post Batman vs KK, who wins?

Originally posted by Surtur
Galan if I post Batman vs Karate Kid as a topic right now, what would be your response to it?

But the problem here is that you keep comparing B1M to 'standard' Batman/Bruce, when the latter is VASTLY superior in every area that matters. It's like comparing Joe Fixit to WWH. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Are you joking? If Val had Kryptonian stats, Bruce would have been dealt with effortlessly. srsly

B1M has the skill/know-how to down Bruce with a single attack, and the standard tech to compete with top-tiers.

No, I'm quite serious.

By various feats alone, he should have been easily dealt with. Is Batman's armor tougher then secondary adamantium? Can he duck lightning, or spar with Kon El to the point the kids winds up frustrated and destroys the entire floor?

This isn't Spidey beating down Firelord. Val was established from day one as a peer to Superboy, and he has various feats and confrontations that support this, such as damaging the secondary adamantium like substance that it took a berserk Superboy to damage (And is used to line Validus's cell).

And while, granted, there are many Val Armorr versions, they ALL have a few things in common:

1. Being able to stagger/fight a Superboy clone, if not defeat.

2. Being capable of reacting to Kryptonian level speed.

3. Striking feats that put Karnak to shame.

Every single one has some examples.

Originally posted by Galan007
KK would win after a very long, great fight.

But the problem here is that you keep comparing B1M to 'standard' Batman/Bruce, when the latter is VASTLY superior in every area that matters. It's like comparing Joe Fixit to WWH. 👆

So Batman will give KK a long great fight, I see. Alrighty. Nothing more needs to be said.

Well wait one more, Superman vs Batman, what happens? How long does that fight last? I mean if he gives KK a long great fight surely he could give Superman pause, right?

So Batman stalemating KK the first time they fough, and giving him a great fight the second time around = PIS, iyo?

Originally posted by Galan007
So Batman stalemating KK the first time they fough, and giving him a great fight the second time around = PIS, iyo?

Unless KK was holding back massively, but then if it's not PIS, Batman could give Superman a decent fight, right? I mean not a GREAT one, but decent, correct?

Originally posted by Galan007
So Batman stalemating KK the first time they fough, and giving him a great fight the second time around = PIS, iyo?

Batman taking a punch from a guy who shatters mountains certainly is.

Originally posted by Surtur
So Batman will give KK a long great fight, I see. Alrighty. Nothing more needs to be said.

Well wait one more, Superman vs Batman, what happens? How long does that fight last? I mean if he gives KK a long great fight surely he could give Superman pause, right?

Lol, grow up. We can continue this convo when you learn to stop projecting your butthurt onto others for no reason. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
What the hell are you talking about? You ask me a question... I give you a logical/unbiased answer... Then you're a smart ass for no reason?

Grow up a bit. We can continue this convo when you learn to stop projecting your butthurt onto others for no reason. 👆

I'm taking the things you say to their logical conclusions. If Batman can give KK a "great long" fight, then he could at least give Superman a decent fight. Do you disagree with this statement? If you don't disagree with me then what you said actually wasn't logical at all.

If you do disagree, why? Why couldn't Batman give Superman a decent fight if he can give someone who does the shit KK does a "great long" fight?

Also can you tell me what the deal is with certain people here? Some will act like a smart ass to people, but then if it gets turned around they suddenly get up in arms and are all "omg how could you do this?" . It's just..weird to me.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm taking the things you say to their logical conclusions. If Batman can give KK a "great long" fight, then he could at least give Superman a decent fight. Do you disagree with this statement?

If you do, why? Why couldn't Batman give Superman a decent fight if he can give someone who does the shit KK does a "great long" fight?

Lol. Nice logic, as always. 👆

Who said average? He has a bunch of high end feats, I go by those. You still haven't answered me: Can Batman give Superman a decent fight yes or no? Why avoid it? If you feel Batman could give KK a long great fight then you MUST think this, it wouldn't make sense otherwise. If you continually avoid it I will just take it to mean yes you think he could give Superman a decent fight.

Scans of post-Crisis KK giving Superman a fight? Unless you can provide said evidence, then this little tangent of yours is entirely moot, and just makes you look like an arrogant buffoon.

Now, had the thread specified "Silver Age" KK, this would be an entirely different story... But we certainly don't default to Silver Age iterations, lol.

He beat someone while he was sick that gave Supergirl trouble. So anyone giving him a long great fight should be able to at least give Supes a decent fight.

Oh but if you don't like that example, Batman vs Supergirl then? He gives her a decent fight then, right?

Also who said this was Silver Age KK? He'd slap the shit out of Batman 1M.

facepalm

And with that strawman, I think we can stop. This discussion has done nothing but devolve into utter stupidity that I want no part of, tbh. If you feel the urge, you can respond to this in whatever antagonistic manner you feel is appropriate... But I won't be responding back either way. 👆

Anyway...
I'd be happy to continue this debate with anyone else who can have a cohesive and mature discussion. Frankly, it has me intrigued. 👆

Bump

Surt at his worst vin

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bump

Surt at his worst vin

No one's ever given Cap or Logan the win based on some crazy outlier, amiright? 😛

Shiva beat Shadowdragon who knocked around Superman. And Slade beat most of the JLA.

Have you visited my Shiva vs Slade thread yet? 👆