Darth Vader vs Revan

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Isn't that what you're suppose to do? 😬

Yeah, I guess I wasn't skeptical enough of your assertions, lol. Nowhere in that video do I see evidence that Revan tanks the energies of a nuclear-yield detonation, and indeed, it seems really f*cking obvious that he doesn't, seeing as how, well, nobody around him gets affected at all. So we come back to the simple reality that Revan has never done anything to put him within the same whisper as TFU Vader, and so he gets horribly stomped by any measure.

Now if we just toss away feats and look at accolades/powerscaling/intent, just look to Galen Marek catching Sidious's lightning. That's still GG over ragdolling a strike team that would have collectively been shitstomped by Vitiate, who is canonically weaker than TPM Sidious.

What does Revan have to contend with Vader's dueling feats, as in feats, not accolades and character POVs.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, I totally can't see anything lol. Is it that purple lightning stuff? Or the blue shit? What does it look like if the power successfully activates?

@Sasukedc and @The Ellimist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wbxi5N-NWg&t=5m54s

The blue energy is what Revan's channeling.

The description is as follows: "Through masterful control of the Force, Revan has created a Force resonance with The Machine's core, and is channeling its power into an immense attack."

And then "upon successful completion, [Revan will deal] massive damage to enemies within 1km. Dealing sufficient damage will break this channel."

The energy "backlashed" onto him, hence my argument he managed to withstand just amount of energy without dying. 😬

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Now if we just toss away feats and look at accolades/powerscaling/intent, just look to Galen Marek catching Sidious's lightning. That's still GG over ragdolling a strike team that would have collectively been shitstomped by Vitiate, who is canonically weaker than TPM Sidious.

Ah, if that's the case, then I stand by my original post. I wanted to see, since you said something about a maelstrom of energy trapped inside a bubble, but all I honestly see is the animation of Revan channeling massive energy myself. It's still impressive, but it's different from being hit head on by a 1km explosion.

So if he succeeds, I assume the OP fails and everyone dies. But is there like, an explosion animation, or does everyone just fall over?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Why are you repeating arguments you just made to me in your large post? I plan on responding back to that entire thing. 😬

I'm bored, meh.

@NewGuy01:

I was referring to the blue radiation of energy. The barrier I was referring to was the fact that he lost control due to the fact his defenses were overwhelmed.

I think Revan unleashes like this red blast of energy that kills them all and then the screen turns black and then he goes "I'm coming for you Vitiate."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I think Revan unleashes like this red blast of energy that kills them all and then the screen turns black and then he goes "I'm coming for you Vitiate."

That sounds so fvcking badass, but I guess it's not easy finding a video of someone failing such a time-consuming OP at that exact part. :mmm:

Generally only happens when there's a glitch or bug that prevents Revan from dying, in which people rarely record even that since no one wants to watch a failed attempt at beating a boss. I've only seen one video of it out of the hundreds concerning the fight. One time when I played ToS I didn't attack Revan hoping that without me DPSing that he wouldn't get overwhelmed and I could actually record what he did, but the other guys managed to do fine without me.

What? They weren't swayed by the cause of improving teh best revan respect thread on da web? Blasphemy. :no2:

Originally posted by AncientPower
What does Revan have to contend with Vader's dueling feats, as in feats, not accolades and character POVs.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. Lelaand Chee directly verified its canon in his "Movie Characters killed in the EU" blog.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. She performed impressively and Darth Vader even admitted as such. 😬

Originally posted by Emperordmb
You mean where he said it wasn't the real Darth Maul

and where he said he wasn't even certain what happened there

and that it could've just as easily been a vision.

And we know it wasn't a vision based on the content of the actual fight itself. 😬

Unless he outright declares it a vision, it's clearly not a vision.

Between two statements of the fight being noncanon

Yeah, by evading him with the use of the environment.

And where does Vader state this?

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0214.jpg

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0216.jpg

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0213.jpg

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0217.jpg

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0212.jpg

Ignore the ordering of the HTMLs. I put them in order.

Anyway, she's certainly performing impressively, and if you read the dialogue you'll see Vader compliment her abilities.

My argument was that, despite this happening after TFU, Darth Vader is clearly not unleashing the same degree of power as he did in the game.

That is true and clear here, as it is in the Darth Maul fight.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jt5ibfRzw&t=0m36s

Sterling argument aside, you yanks have no right to use Monty Python references.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Obviously? It's called a clone for a reason. 😬

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What? We know what happens - we saw the comic. He even verified that by saying "a Maul vs. Vader showdown."

The source I'm referencing says "clone or Sith magic or something."

And we know it wasn't a vision based on the content of the actual fight itself. 😬

Unless he outright declares it a vision, it's clearly not a vision.

^the one quote suggesting its canon where its noted as being uncertain as to what happened from Leeland

^The statement saying it's noncanon from star wars insider 85

^the statement saying it's noncanon from star wars insider 154

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0214.jpg

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0216.jpg

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0213.jpg

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0217.jpg

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/18/71/58/99/swt_0212.jpg

Ignore the ordering of the HTMLs. I put them in order.

Anyway, she's certainly performing impressively, and if you read the dialogue you'll see Vader compliment her abilities.

Sure she's performing impressively, suggesting she can match Vader for very long in straight martial combat doesn't hold too much water imo since her engagements with him in martial combat during the fight were brief.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
My argument was that, despite this happening after TFU, Darth Vader is clearly not unleashing the same degree of power as he did in the game.

That is true and clear here, as it is in the Darth Maul fight.

If what your saying is just how much Vader uses the Force in combat is demonstrated in that fight, then that's a separate issue from what I'm arguing.

They speak about how they "recreated" him in the comic. Also, Kogge and Pena don't have more canon authority than Chee, who said it's canon.

It's clearly not a vision because Darth Vader suffered actual injuries. The Darth Maul he fought was present, physical, real, and deadly.

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I never stated she could for "very long." I stated she challenged Darth Vader and he failed to replicate the power he showed in TFU.

"A moon reputed to be the site of a climatic confrontation between Darth Vader and a resurrected Darth Maul." -pg. 195, TCSWE VII

When you have characters who have appeared in a variety of source materials, discrepancies in power scale have always varied from author to author. This is nothing new. Most of Vader's best feats took place prior to ANH, despite the fact that we know he only grew stronger with the passage of time. That's part of why feats aren't the end-all be-all in SW debates.

And frankly I don't see the difference between what Ellimnist is doing and you disregarding Drew's thoughts on Darth Revan in favor of Chris Avellone's.

If Canon feats are being considered, we know Maul isn't a match for Vader anyway.