Darth Vader vs Revan

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Dark Woman? The clone of Darth Maul? Both of these fights happened after his conflicts with Starkiller and place him back to his standing as a powerful, but not unparalleled, power.

And as far as An'ya Kuro goes, she did so well by evading him with the use of the environment and when she charged Vader in straight combat he martially dominated her while he was unarmed.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
EDIT: After doing some homework, lol. Revan receiving backlash from losing control of the Temple's energies isn't necessarily the same as him tanking the explosion itself either. I find the fact that he was initially able to channel that kind of energy in the first place much more impressive tbh.

lol, "backlash" doesn't necessarily imply equivalence to the original thing.

Wait, did the backlash actually kill people in a one kilometer radius? Otherwise...

No, it's not the same as his own attack being unleashed and turned back on him. It's him losing control of the Temple's energies and being damaged by it.

I'd say rather than Bane, the more similar effect is when Revan was absorbing Vitiate's lightning; it wasn't that he was being hit by lightning, but rather that he couldn't handle all of the energy he was absorbing and took damage as a result. Think Dorsk 81, if that's too confusing for you.

TL;DR: It's an internal thing, not an external. And what Ellimnist said.

So from Ant's standard that composite feats are allowed, he can no longer run with the interpretation of "peak Vader" as "the point in the storyline where he should be at his most powerful", since he's merging two different continuities with irreconcilable storylines.

Ergo, peak showings = best showings (unless if they're completely ridiculous or one-time amps, I guess).

Vader can contend with a guy who disintegrates 300 meter cruisers, one-shots hundreds of stormtroopers at the same time, and catches and advances on Sidious's lightning.

GG

Well, to be fair... That 300 meter frigate* was probably closer to 100 meters, considering most of it had broken off before he destroyed it... And it was already blowing up to begin with... lol.

Meh, TFU feats are still too much to handle.

So would you call them...completely ridiculous?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
So from Ant's standard that composite feats are allowed, he can no longer run with the interpretation of "peak Vader" as "the point in the storyline where he should be at his most powerful", since he's merging two different continuities with irreconcilable storylines.

Ergo, peak showings = best showings (unless if they're completely ridiculous or one-time amps, I guess).

Vader can contend with a guy who disintegrates 300 meter cruisers, one-shots hundreds of stormtroopers at the same time, and catches and advances on Sidious's lightning.

GG

So no, we're not backtracking on your original claim.

"So from Ant's standard that composite feats are allowed"

^ I was pointing out that your attempt to bring that in would've lost you the debate, lol.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, it's not the same as his own attack being unleashed and turned back on him. It's him losing control of the Temple's energies and being damaged by it.

I'd say rather than Bane, the more similar effect is when Revan was absorbing Vitiate's lightning; it wasn't that he was being hit by lightning, but rather that he couldn't handle all of the energy he was absorbing and took damage as a result. Think Dorsk 81, if that's too confusing for you.

TL;DR: It's an internal thing, not an external. And what Ellimnist said.

EDIT: Even if it is an internal thing, it's still a display of willpower and shows that Revan can handle extreme stuff, so the main idea of my point stands.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
So would you call them...completely ridiculous?

It's not necessarily the kind of ridiculous that implies illegitimacy. Some may say that DE Palpatine's feats are "completely ridiculous", but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have them.

I don't think the feats are illegitimate, I care more about what can be done against another person than any random feat within itself. Kota's ripping apart a space station, but somehow I doubt he can defeat Obi-Wan, and so on. Feats only go so far.

Yeah I've argued for mitigating feats before, but I'm using them for the purposes of this debate until Ant articulates some good arguments on the epistemology of it. Kek I'm debating for debating's sake.

If we're just going via accolades, power-scaling and thematic intent Tempest-style, then we already have TPM Sidious > Vitiate, and then Sidious creeps in power to RotS and then to TFU, and yet Galen can catch his lightning and advance against it. I don't see evidence that Revan could've done the same against Vitiate.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm taking the visuals of the feat serious and it appears that the energies Revan is channeling is outside of him in some maelstrom of energy contained within his barrier or whatever he's conjuring up to defend against the damage. The team overwhelms the defenses and thus loses control, hence why it's an external thing. I know that you don't take game mechanic content that seriously though.

Even if it is an internal thing, it's still a display of willpower and shows that Revan can handle extreme stuff, so the main idea of my point stands.

Could you post a video with a timestamp as a refresher for me?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Darth Maul fight is discounted as non-canon in two sources, and the one source that possibly acknowledges it as canon says that it's completely ambiguous as to if that even happened tbh. Using this to lowball Vader or raise Maul has always struck me as ridiculous given all of that.

No. Lelaand Chee directly verified its canon in his "Movie Characters killed in the EU" blog.

And as far as An'ya Kuro goes, she did so well by evading him with the use of the environment and when she charged Vader in straight combat he martially dominated her while he was unarmed.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Could you post a video with a timestamp as a refresher for me?

Thoughts?

lol I should start asking for sources on more of these claims.

Yeah, I totally can't see anything lol. Is it that purple lightning stuff? Or the blue shit? What does it look like if the power successfully activates?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
lol I should start asking for sources on more of these claims.