SunRazer
Back From The Dead
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I was referring to your paper analogy and your seeming strict definition of the term universe buster. It seems like you're trying to make sense of the unimaginable as a way to explain how it's not possible, which is beyond anyone.
It's not strict at all. What's your definition of "universe buster", then? Because I'm defining it as the words define themselves.
The "threat" part seems to have been explained pretty well. In this case, the very thing that threatened all of space was at the time actively consuming what would/could have been all of space.
No, it hasn't. At the point that the Wormhole was being described as a threat to space, it was a threat to nothing more than the New Republic fleet.
That is what the quote implies.
What?
This isn't simple physics. Fact: all of space is beyond our comprehension. In-universe SW fact: so is the force. Therefore we can't know what it's capable of at full destructive potency.
We're aware that the Force as we understand it was established concurrently with life. It doesn't predate or encompass the universe itself or anything. We're also aware that Palpatine doesn't wield the full power of the Force (not even close). I'm not even using physics; I'm using logic.
Being an aspect of something doesn't mean the aspect lacks the ability to destroy the whole, especially regarding the powerful aspect within a fictional universe. (Nyriss was destroyed by an aspect of herself)
Nyriss charged up and expended what was inferrably all of or a vast majority of her power. Palpatine doesn't wield all of or a vast majority of the Force's overall power, or anything close to that. So your analogy doesn't work - it also doesn't work because both Nyriss and the power she unleashed on herself were finite. They had limits, it was just that the power Nyriss unleashed was greater than the barriers she raised in defense when it was sent back on her. By contrast, Palpatine's power is finite, but space is infinite. It's not a comparable instance at all.
And obviously it was.
Show me where it "obviously" was a threat to all of space in the comic. Because I'm pretty sure someone on the other side of the galaxy wouldn't be aware of the occurrence of that Wormhole, much less feeling its effects or being threatened by it. I mean, if that's what you want to believe, then alright...
The source mentions all of space being threatened by such a powerful force that was unleashed and active at the time? Where is the contradiction?
The comic itself, perhaps? Where is it in the comic that all of space was feeling the repercussions or the threat of the Storm that Palpatine generated? You'd be deluded to assume that was the case. The Storm destroyed the Alliance base on the moon, yet not the moon itself. That clearly doesn't portend a threat to all of space.
Are we supposed to assume all of space an exaggeration of just the fleet? The quote implies something way and beyond than it's intended target.
I think it's an exaggeration of the proximate space, but regardless of what I think it is, I know what it isn't - a threat to all of space.
Prove your case by facts, and there'd be no reason to question it.
The facts are arrayed with me, here. You can't possibly argue that the Wormhole in question as depicted in the comics was a threat to all of space.
I'm not whining at all. I simply find myself asking more questions regarding your argument than accepting what the quote implies. You're the one trying to make sense of it with math, which I'm stating is impossible and beyond anyone. But, by all means, keep going.
I'm making sense of it with logic and displayed evidence, not math. And you're whining about how all of this transcends our understanding and what not. That sounds more like a cop-out for this discussion once your case gets proven to be logically unsound. "Oh, but that's because we can't use logic for this, since it transcends our comprehension" 👆
And the full power of the dark side wielded by The Emperor can destroy all of space/time that comprise the universe. How does one make sense over the other?
By making sense of the fact that the Wormhole the Emperor unleashed clearly didn't threaten all of space at the time?
Unless multiverse is equivalent to SW's single universe. I was referring to the characters said to be able to destroy 'it all' meaning all of existence, which isn't possible by your own argument.
Then we weren't discussing the same thing. I referred to LT being able to destroy single universes - obviously not the entire omniverse. But the ability to destroy single universes isn't unprecedented, and your argument isn't making any sense. You can destroy the universe/single universes in comics - it's just that Palpatine couldn't in DE.