Is Palpatine a universe buster?

Started by SunRazer19 pages
Originally posted by The_Tempest
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Yay! We agree it's silly.

Do you seriously believe it with all of your heart, though?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yay! We agree it's silly.

Do you seriously believe it with all of your heart, though?

I already told you, on the previous page.

I mean, truly, unquestionably, irrevocably place all of your faith in the quote? Would you stake your life on it?

Who the **** would stake their life on any Star Wars quote?!

I would absolutely stake DMB's life on it.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Who the **** would stake their life on any Star Wars quote?!

Don't spoil it.

Someone stake DMBs life and lose please

Are there any actual arguments against the quote beyond appeals to personal incredulity? You guys are fine with Vitiate's galaxy ritual - where do you draw the line?

Vitiate's ritual is sorcery, it would have taken untold amounts of death to fuel, it drains life throughout the galaxy by leeching the Force itself. Huge difference between corrupting and siphoning the Force on a massive scale to kill all life in the galaxy, and destroying the universe with a Force storm. The logic, psychics and means are not at all similar.

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Originally posted by AncientPower
Vitiate's ritual is sorcery, it would have taken untold amounts of death to fuel, it drains life throughout the galaxy by leeching the Force itself. Huge difference between corrupting and siphoning the Force on a massive scale to kill all life in the galaxy, and destroying the universe with a Force storm. The logic, psychics and means are not at all similar.

Are you really going to argue this makes more sense because of sorcery? Reaalllyyy? Hmmm

Guess the logic just supports it more cause magic is more real in fiction.

Except precedence has been set for sorcery killing stars and causing mass ritualistic death and planetary annihilation since the early '90s. The 'logic' is present in that this is an established sphere of ability within the Star Wars mythos, only capable of being weilded by the very greatest of sorcerers.

So the Sith Emperor being a league mile ahead of every single other sorcerer he has been in contention with, including Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Tulak Hord and Marka Ragnos, is a pretty hefty sign that he's capable of things even they aren't capable of.

Him killing billions, if not trillions, to fuel a ritual that directly attacks, corrupts and assimilates the Force, thus wiping out life in a single galaxy, is a far more believable degree of power.

What Palpatine's storms are allegedly capable of, defies all common sense and logic, even within Star Wars itself. It isn't something we can just appeal to be beyond comprehension, when it's an outlier in the entire lore.

If we dismiss OCW and TFU so readily for being somehow beyond the norm, how the f#ck are we making an exception for an excerpt in a companion that flies in the face of the comic it is a companion for in the first place.

It still begs the question of where you draw the line.

Yeah, I'm sensing a little delusion. Accepting something because of sorcery doesn't make it less fake. It's all magic, but a force storm isn't basic TK that can be quantified by how heavy the TK'd object is.

Call it sorcery or not, it's fake.

The difference is the ritual only would destroy one galaxy by using power that isn't Vitiate's to start with while Palpatine's would be with his own power and destroy an infinite number of galaxies.

The reason why one would be taken seriously and the other wouldn't be is pretty ****ing obviously.

This precedent thing is also silly because Palpatine's Storms are sort of setting new precedent themselves, and are essentially the Magnus opus of the canonical most powerful sith of all time, who the Force needed to intervene against to defeat. There's no rational metric to say that this quote crosses some line and should be dismissed.

Nah.

A Force storm is a wormhole in space conjured by what Palpatine described as a perfect expression of his power, a final step up from Force maelstrom. The actual depictions of this power have suggested that the upper limit of this power can rend the surfaces of worlds.

I hope you comprehend the fact that such a power, such a wormhole, is a firecracker compared to the nuclear blast that is a super-massive black hole. A super-massive black hole can't even absorb the core of a galaxy, only create one by acting as the center. Yet some of these super-massive blackholes can be tens of thousands of times larger than the most massive suns in the universe.

So to suggest that such a relatively insignificant force of power as a Force generated storm, a wormhole, can even absorb a galaxy, nevermind the entire limitless universe, is absolutely COMICAL.

It doesn't even begin to compare to what a sorcery-based ritual can do to a single galaxy's life. Not even in the slightest realm of logic is that comparable.

Vitiate's ritual wouldn't even destroy the galaxy, only the life in the galaxy would die. Nothing suggests he's 'busting' a galaxy with that ritual.

@Ant Nobody's saying Palpatine's storms aren't greater than Vitiate's. That doesn't answer the question. Vitiate's ritual is more extreme than Kaan and co.'s firestorm - so again, why can't I apply your logic to just dismiss it on face by shifting the line?

That's far from the point, Ant.

That part is simple. Palpatine is just well above Vitiate, but that's not where the line is to be drawn.