TOR Sith Empire vs PT Republic

Started by FreshestSlice6 pages

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
It is stated to be 'millions'. The actual prowess of the average Sith in the SWTOR SE, though, is questionable.

Or you know, it's not actually millions of Sith Lords and apprentices.

Yes of course, but anyone who successfully survives and emerges a Sith after the extremely harsh and difficult trials in Korriban shouldn't be mediocre. It makes little sense for these hardened Sith to be tossed aside like it was nothing.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Or you know, it's not actually millions of Sith Lords and apprentices.

I thought they were talking about Sith, not troops.

It's the SE, I doubt they really care much for their troops when they can always pump out more and more(they just sent 50k troops to die with 0 strategy in mind at the Battle of Bothawui). Though here I don't see that being the case.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian

I thought they were talking about Sith, not troops.


The source for the there being "millions of Sith," is a quote talking about selecting for the Emperor's Wrath. It says the Hand personally went through these millions of Sith and found the player character the most impressive out of all of them. Now, even if I suspended my belief enough to say they actually counted millions of Sith and examined the combat prowess of each and every one before selecting Baras' apprentice, it's not even possible for their to be millions of Sith given the size of Sith space. Even at the Republic's height, the highest number of Jedi is 10,000. The prevalence of Force Sensitivity is no higher in the Empire, especially after the Great Galactic War, from what we actually see in game, and even if it was, most of the Sith sent to the Academy are culled. The idea that it is remotely possible, let lone probable, for millions of Sith is kek worthy, especially since one planet's worth of Force Sensitives stomped all of them. And no, Sith weren't dying by the millions during the second part of the Great War, and despite the forum saying both sides were weakened, this is never said anywhere in game.

For the sake of ease of discussion, I'm going to assume this is the SE as of the start of the GW.

Pubs have numbers and tactics advantage, however, SE has the Sith advantage, and each Sith is worth at the very minimum 5 clones, not to mention the Lords, Darth's, and DC members. And don't forget that Mekhis, Kilran and Jadus are alive and fully active, not to mention the advantage of Imprrial Intelligence and Marr and the DM's are fully active in combat.

I was figuring we weren't using any named people here.

Originally posted by Aurbere
Millions of Sith. 🙂
Originally posted by Nephthys
Millions of Sith.
Can someone provide a quote for this, because that not what is says in my copy...

At the start of the Great Galactic War, Jadus is gone, Imperial Intelligence is disassembled, Kilran is dead, Mekhis is dead, Baras has already begun sabotaging the war on Corellia, etc. The fact that the Republic is an actual foe at all, which it is even before the infighting which was only caused by the Emperor's death, shows the Sith are no where near as powerful as they think they are. And lel at the Sith being an advantage over Jedi Knights training a thousand years to face Sith.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The source for the there being "millions of Sith," is a quote talking about selecting for the Emperor's Wrath. It says the Hand personally went through these millions of Sith and found the player character the most impressive out of all of them. Now, even if I suspended my belief enough to say they actually counted millions of Sith and examined the combat prowess of each and every one before selecting Baras' apprentice, it's not even possible for their to be millions of Sith given the size of Sith space. Even at the Republic's height, the highest number of Jedi is 10,000. The prevalence of Force Sensitivity is no higher in the Empire, especially after the Great Galactic War, from what we actually see in game, and even if it was, most of the Sith sent to the Academy are culled. The idea that it is remotely possible, let lone probable, for millions of Sith is kek worthy, especially since one planet's worth of Force Sensitives stomped all of them. And no, Sith weren't dying by the millions during the second part of the Great War, and despite the forum saying both sides were weakened, this is never said anywhere in game.

I'll agree that it is a ridiculous statement, and given what we see in-game and the actual Sith space, it's most likely a hyperbole. But I wouldn't go lower than thousands.

Yeah, I'll side with the PT Republic.

Though, even if the Jedi in the PT were training to fight Sith for a thousand years, it's evident the vast majority are very inexperienced which would cost them heavily, I think.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Though, even if the Jedi in the PT were training to fight Sith for a thousand years, it's evident the vast majority are very inexperienced which would cost them heavily, I think.

I would think so were the OR Jedi, given the Sith hadn't been around for a long time before they first came about, yet they seemed to do alright.

Granted not at first and yes, there is a larger time gap but if the PT had been training to fight the Sith again, the inexperience won't be that drastic I feel.

If taking into account Maul was the first Sith Lord the Jedi ever encountered after such a long time, Qui-Gon did pretty well as did Obi-Wan. That and Jedi do train against Sith Lord holograms as part of their Jedi trails.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Though, even if the Jedi in the PT were training to fight Sith for a thousand years, it's evident the vast majority are very inexperienced which would cost them heavily, I think.
Yeah especially considering they stopped bothering with lightsaber combat training. mmm

And this is what the SWTORE says on the Sith for what it's worth:

"MILLIONS STRIVE to become Sith, but many prove to weak to earn the honor."

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah especially considering they stopped bothering with lightsaber combat training. mmm

?? They didn't?...

There's a difference between training for something versus actually being embroiled in war and experiencing things first-hand.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
?? They didn't?...

You can't be this thick.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah especially considering they stopped bothering with lightsaber combat training. mmm

And this is what the SWTORE says on the Sith for what it's worth:

"MILLIONS STRIVE to become Sith, but many prove to weak to earn the honor."


The quote was about the Emperor's Hand selecting the Wrath, if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
?? They didn't?...
They did according to Neph, and I'm sure he has his sources. 🙂

Originally posted by |King Joker|
There's a difference between training for something versus actually being embroiled in war and experiencing things first-hand.

You don't just dive head first into war either, so the point?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You can't be this thick.

Sorry, didn't realize that was a joke until after I posted.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You don't just dive head first into war either, so the point?
The PT Jedi would be facing Sith who have been fighting on the front lines for years and thus are likely better combatively equipped to take on inexperienced Jedi? Maybe?