TOR Sith Empire vs PT Republic

Originally posted by Zenwolf
It's even noted most able bodied Jedi Knights were away from the Temple.

Plus it was the entire 501st Legion, which a Clone Legion is 9k+ troops.

So with most Jedi away from the Temple, plus surprise, plus an entire legion with a Sith lord backing, it really can't be used against them.

Originally posted by Total Warrior
mmm, I didn't know it. Since the war was almost , I've always thought that most jedi had already retreated from the battlefields and came back to the temple. Well, if most jedi in temple were padawans and unexperienced knights (basically temple guards were the only valuable fighters inside the temple then) their defeat makes much more sense.

There were some Jedi Masters too, but I mean overwhelming numbers are still overwhelming numbers. Much like the Arena battle in EP 2, there were 200 something Jedi facing down thousands and thousands of droids, that just poured on through.

I think the 10,000 number is fine. I like Force sensitivity being extremely rare.

I'm talking like as if return. The very beginning

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah after the Cold War, which is where the story begins. Which would make it the second Galactic War.

As for the millions of Sith thing, that never made sense. Million is quite a big number, in case you didn't realize. Even saying there is a hundred thousand Sith is being generous, unless you're including acolytes.

Right, the Second Great Galactic War, the fact this can be abbreviated doesn't change what it is. 😬

Ultimately it's a semantical issue, but at the very least the Great Galactic War did not "start" in Chapter II, merely resumed.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Million is quite a big number, in case you didn't realize.

That said, I agree with Joker. It makes more sense Force sensitive's would be rare, but in the quantity we seem them in SWTOR, millions is probably quite accurate.

At any rate, the SE has a disadvantage in tech barring their super weapons. Their fighters aren't up to snuff against the GAR's fighters, their biggest ship, a Harrower won't last long in any engagement against a single Republic Venator due to the hilarious fighter advantage it has.

Far as ground goes....SE has Sith....fine, whatever...some War Droids and Walkers.

GAR has Clones, Walkers(of a variety), Tanks(of a variety) and Jedi.

They also have air support with their Low Altitude Assault Transports along with any fighter support too. So air advantage also swings in their favor.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, the Second Great Galactic War, the fact this can be abbreviated doesn't change what it is. 😬
Ultimately it's a semantical issue, but at the very least the Great Galactic War did not "start" in Chapter II, merely resumed.

Millions is a big number, in every context. Fresh-tier logic. 🙂

That said, I agree with Joker. It makes more sense Force sensitive's would be rare, but in the quantity we seem them in SWTOR, millions is probably quite accurate.

Remember: we only acknowledge bizarre statements if they make SWTOR look better and stronger.

That academy is totally holding millions of Sith. I'm sorry. Billions of Force Sensitives go through it every year.

Millions isn't that big. In a galaxy the size of this, with hundreds of thousands of planets each with millions or billions of inhabitants, Force Sensitivity can be rare as hell and still have millions in an Order.

You're right, of course, Neph. Even though the Galactic government is the largest it's ever been in the PT, and pretty much every Force Sensitive is given to the Jedi, the fact that only 10,000 Jedi Knights exists, and I assume this includes Masters, is because the rate of Force Sensitive births dropped astronomically between TOR and the PT. I mean straight to hell. The Force sensed TOR was over, and knew that no more great Jedi could be born. It's the only thing that makes sense. Also, source for the Sith Empire containing hundreds of thousands of planets?

So salty. I'm deeply aroused by how annoyed this is clearly making you. So, just to clarify, you're perfectly willing to harangue me for supposedly dismissing statements whenever you can, but when you openly do it suddenly it's ok?

I guess the PT is just shit at finding force sensitives.

I'm not salty because I'm mocking you. I just feel if I repeat your idiocy back to you enough, one day you'll realize how retarded it really sounds. And no. The difference between you and I is, I use other sources to critic off handed comments. Not just my thoughts.

And it really isn't, if literally every child is tested at birth. Maybe TOR is just full of shit.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's been ten years. Neph, I assume, was trying to bring in the Sith Empire from Return, for some reason, but any "pre-war" Sith Empire would be the one in TOR, was my point. the point you're making was never in question, kek.

Even in a galaxy of trillions, a million would be a huge number for a militaric order. Given what we know of the size of the Sith Empire, this is only exasperated.

The quantity we see in SoR is a single acolyte out of groups of ten even surviving to become apprentices. On a good day. Millions will never be accurate. Not to mention Satele talking about how the KoZ, not the Eternal Fleet, are able to overwhelm the legions of Jedi she sent at them, or any Sith they came across. One planets worth of Force Sensitives. There aren't millions of Sith, full stop.

And for the Eternal Empire to conquer the entire galaxy, they'd need at an army at least billions strong.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And for the Eternal Empire to conquer the entire galaxy, they'd need at an army at least billions strong.

Which are their droids?

I agree, the millions quote is overtrusted and not solid enough evidence. The sourcebook is an in universe one, and it goes against every other era of Star Wars. Hell, even the authors of the book, when contacted, put the Sith order near the tens of thousands, not millions.

I find it amusing how people argue relentlessly about whether the quotes on Sidious being the strongest Sith are valid, that there couldn't possibly be quadrillions of battle droids and it's simply hyperbole... yet fall to their knees and bow at the site of a quote contradicting every Star Wars story ever written.

👆 tbh

Originally posted by Beniboybling
[B]Hardly pre-war, more like post 30 years of direct conflict and 10 years of proxy conflict. A pre-war Sith Empire would indeed be Return.

Because there are only trillions of people in the galaxy? Goodness, you realise there are over 7 billion people on this planet alone? Trillions = population of Coruscant, for the galaxy try quadrillions.

Assuming they all come out of Korriban, but is far more likely Korriban is one of many such academies.

And for the Eternal Empire to conquer the entire galaxy, they'd need at an army at least billions strong.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm not salty because I'm mocking you. I just feel if I repeat your idiocy back to you enough, one day you'll realize how retarded it really sounds. And no. The difference between you and I is, I use other sources to critic off handed comments. Not just my thoughts.

And it really isn't, if literally every child is tested at birth. Maybe TOR is just full of shit.

No no, you're totally right man. I'm certain that you, the Great FreshestSlice, know whats happening in Swtor better than the people making it. Why they didn't seek your vast knowledge out when writing the thing is anyone's guess. Sheer arrogance, I suppose.

Regardless, you're clearly immensely salty and so very, very wrong. Beni already pointed out that the Orders are highly populous in TOR, visibly having more members in more areas than in other eras. There are also clearly many academies at work, the Empire didn't use Korriban to train its Sith for that millennia plus of hiding, lol. Korriban alone is constantly churning out Sith despite its staggering casualty rate. And the number is hardly illogical. There are 8 million people in London alone. Millions of Sith is still paltry compared to galactic civilisation.

How could every child be tested if no-one knew Sidious could use the Force? A case of the whoopsies?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No no, you're totally right man. I'm certain that you, the Great FreshestSlice, know whats happening in Swtor better than the people making it. Why they didn't seek your vast knowledge out when writing the thing is anyone's guess. Sheer arrogance, I suppose.

Regardless, you're clearly immensely salty and so very, very wrong. Beni already pointed out that the Orders are highly populous in TOR, visibly having more members in more areas than in other eras. There are also clearly many academies at work, the Empire didn't use Korriban to train its Sith for that millennia plus of hiding, lol. Korriban alone is constantly churning out Sith despite its staggering casualty rate. And the number is hardly illogical. There are 8 million people in London alone. Millions of Sith is still paltry compared to galactic civilisation.

How could every child be tested if no-one knew Sidious could use the Force? A case of the whoopsies?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
👆 tbh

Stop trying to split hairs. The OP says TOR. We're talking about TOR. Pre-war wasn't even in the OP.

Not only is this not about the population of the galaxy, which is not even fully explored or charted in the slightest, this is about the population of the Sith Empire, which does not even include a noticeable fraction of the known galaxy. It's just a bit of the Outer Rim. Try again.

This is never said or supported anywhere. Every Sith goes to Korriban to be trained, just as every Jedi eventually goes to Tython.

Well considering the entirety of Zakuul's population lives in one city which does not even begin to cover the planet, you'd be disappointed. Billions of their population don't even take part in the military.