TOR Sith Empire vs PT Republic

Started by Zenwolf6 pages
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No one cares about non-Force sensitives.

Hmm...this thread obviously does considering that's what this whole battle is of.

You've been the only one to really talk about it across the multi-page debate. 👇

Hell, the KOTOR era Jedi that are killed by the Triumvirate are stated to number in the 10,000s. An order already weakened severely by the Sith War and Civil War. It is made clear the TOR era Jedi are far more expansive than before.

Where was this? The Revan novel?

Because according to pretty much everything else only about 100 Jedi were left.

A hundred is hella generous.

That's how many were left after the Jedi Civil War. By the time of KotOR 2, they were pretty much all wiped out.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Hell, the KOTOR era Jedi that are killed by the Triumvirate are stated to number in the 10,000s. An order already weakened severely by the Sith War and Civil War. It is made clear the TOR era Jedi are far more expansive than before.
Yea no. The only quote we have is for Kreia, indicating that "after the Jedi Civil War, barely 100 Jedi exist". Revan's war was more of a jedi purge than Order 66.

Didn't Vandar say they are sending the entire Order to the Battle of Rakata Prime?

I doubt there's more than 50 by the end of the battle.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
The SE doesn't really have much in the way of ships and fighters, their standard fighter and bomber aren't gonna be a real match for an ARC-170 or an ETA-2 Interceptor or whatever other starfighter the Clones have.

Relatively inferior Republic weapon systems held their own against Empire's state-of-the-art weapon systems during the war. Those lasers and missiles are going to destroy you, no matter what. We see a repeat of same story during the Battle of Endor. In the end, it comes down to skills of the personnel involved.

The Empire even developed cloaking technologies to conceal the presence of an entire armada and unleash it upon the 'unsuspecting' enemy (should the need arise).

Shitty storytelling aside, the Empire had everything useful at its disposal.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Their biggest ship is a Dreadnaught which is fine, but the Venator heavily outclasses that in terms of fighter support.

This is true.

Harrower-class dreadnaughts have shields and heavily reinforced hulls.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Now they do have the advantage of super weapons, but it's not as if those can't be destroyed, given that they are all on ships. If the OR can get information and strike forces to destroy them, I have no doubt that the GAR would be able to do the same with their Intelligence branch and SF.

Harrower-class dreadnaughts were superior to anything Republic brought on the table and still suffered losses.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
The thing is though...the standard Sith Warrior seen in the trailer of Hope...aren't that great. Of course they'd have the advantage of melee combat, but it's not as if troopers weren't killing them. Heck one of them got clocked in the face with the butt of a blaster rifle and sent into the ground.

Far as the SE Troops?....Eh, I don't find them really impressive tbh.


They were up against Republic's Havoc Squad - the best of the bunch. Still, they killed many.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Jedi Order's numbers are unnaturally small given the size of the galaxy.

Another factor is that the Empire represented a martial civilization, lesser in sheer numbers but honed for combat and hardships.

I believe that the Sith outnumbered Jedi during TOR era but the Republic had too many troops to throw at them.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Hell, the KOTOR era Jedi that are killed by the Triumvirate are stated to number in the 10,000s. An order already weakened severely by the Sith War and Civil War. It is made clear the TOR era Jedi are far more expansive than before.

Kreia claimed that 100 Jedi was a fairly generous guess already. I don't know where you're getting 10 000 from.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Kreia claimed that 100 Jedi was a fairly generous guess already. I don't know where you're getting 10 000 from.

Probably the same place as Nomi redirecting Turbolasers. 🤨

Was that the one with Avellone's foreword on it or the gloss edition?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Relatively inferior Republic weapon systems held their own against Empire's state-of-the-art weapon systems during the war. Those lasers and missiles are going to destroy you, no matter what. We see a repeat of same story during the Battle of Endor. In the end, it comes down to skills of the personnel involved.

The Empire even developed cloaking technologies to conceal the presence of an entire armada and unleash it upon the 'unsuspecting' enemy (should the need arise).

Shitty storytelling aside, the Empire had everything useful at its disposal.

True it's all the same really, but the ARC-170s have more than just simple laser cannons and are more durable than the Mark VI Supremacy.

This is true.

Harrower-class dreadnaughts have shields and heavily reinforced hulls.

Harrower-class dreadnaughts were superior to anything Republic brought on the table and still suffered losses.

Ok so then the GAR shouldn't have any problems destroying them.

They were up against Republic's Havoc Squad - the best of the bunch. Still, they killed many.

A blaster rifle is still a blaster rifle, yeah they were Havoc Squad, but the Sith Warriors just kinda charged into a wall there. That and it's not as if every battle is gonna be an ambush on Sith forces(if they do it's gonna be using their Special Forces too), plus there's still the ground and air advantage the Clones have.

There is the Dread Master's Battle Meditation thing that can easily turn the tide of several battles. I wonder how long it'll take the PT Jedi to pull a Jaric Kaedan on them.

The Dread Masters aren't even free at the beginning of open conflict in TOR

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The Dread Masters aren't even free at the beginning of open conflict in TOR

Doesn't matter. They can send a strike team of 351982 sith to rescue them 👆

Oh that's right. They'll still have several million Sith to spare to fight those puny 10,000 Jedi. 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
There is the Dread Master's Battle Meditation thing that can easily turn the tide of several battles. I wonder how long it'll take the PT Jedi to pull a Jaric Kaedan on them.

It'd take a while to find out their location like the TOR Republic did, I'd imagine.