When has he ever cast multiple storms, or "insta summoned" them? I don't remember that happening in Dark Empire. The "threat" of consuming the galaxy is theoretical at best since we haven't see him doing anything approaching that. Vitiate's rituals are much more impressive in terms of their efficiency. Both times he completely exterminated the planet population.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
When has he ever cast multiple storms, or "insta summoned" them? I don't remember that happening in Dark Empire. The "threat" of consuming the galaxy is theoretical at best since we haven't see him doing anything approaching that. Vitiate's rituals are much more impressive in terms of their efficiency. Both times he completely exterminated the planet population.
I've never seen the quote that says he can incite multiple storms at once, only that multiple storms had been seen in multiple star systems.
That said, Force storms can kill worlds by affecting organic and inorganic life, can overwhelm starfleets, can transport matter across interstellar distances, and can threaten to consume all of space.
They're wayyyyyy superior in pretty much every respect tbh.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I've never seen the quote that says he can incite multiple storms at once, only that multiple storms had been seen in multiple star systems.That said, Force storms can kill worlds by affecting organic and inorganic life, can overwhelm starfleets, can transport matter across interstellar distances, and can threaten to consume all of space.
They're wayyyyyy superior in pretty much every respect tbh.
It can "kill worlds" similar to how I can wipe out the dirt in my house. It doesn't mean my vacuum's got house-sized suction (thats you), just that I can vacuum up a bit at a time. Sidious has never demonstrated a Storm that's planetary in scale, or close to it.
More versatile perhaps, not necessarily superior. I think that the Drain empowering Vitiate while also destroying all life is more effective than being able to transport stuff. And the Dread Masters can handle fleets, so Vitiate probably can as well.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
The "threat" of consuming the galaxy is theoretical at best since we haven't see him doing anything approaching that.
Even if we ignore the universe consuming quote, we still have several that reference the storms' ability to "tear the surfaces off of worlds" or whatever. That far outstrips anything Vitiate's ever done in terms of raw destructive power.
And no, we haven't even seen this happen, but since when are narrative declarations invalid if they aren't specifically corroborated by a visible event? They still stand as accurate descriptions, they're not in-universe speculations as you claim they are.
Vitiate's rituals are much more impressive in terms of their efficiency. Both times he completely exterminated the planet population.
The energy needed to tear apart a fleet is actually far greater than the energy needed to kill everyone on a planet - the latter can be done by a frigate in a few hours, lol, whereas the former would require a comparatively superior fleet far in excess of what you need to perform a base delta zero. What's more impressive is that Palpatine can summon these storms:
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[*]Across galactic distances
[*]From his own raw power
[*]Without rituals or prep
[*]To teleport people lightyears with pinpoint precision
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Vitiate's only advantage is the fact that it makes him immortal or whatever - but in terms of destructive potential, it really isn't close.
Nah, he just created a storm that threatened to consume all of space... Which is exponentially greater than mere planetary tier tbh.
The notion that it could only do it a little at a time is unattested. That logic says Force lightning could kill worlds if given sufficient time... But no source ever remotely implies as much, let alone says it.
The logic that because the Dread Masters can do stuff so too can Vitiate means Palp can too, by being the most powerful Sith ever. 😄
A single star destroyer can easily perform a base delta zero and turn a planetary surface to molten lava, which would far exceed what Vitiate's rituals can do. A single star destroyer logically could not destroy a fleet of star destroyers within a reasonable amount of time. Palpatine's storms can.
GG you're better off bragging about the immortality thing.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The notion that it could only do it a little at a time is unattested. That logic says Force lightning could kill worlds if given sufficient time... But no source ever remotely implies as much, let alone says it.The logic that because the Dread Masters can do stuff so too can Vitiate means Palp can too, by being the most powerful Sith ever. 😄
It doesn't need to be said, lol. It's size and destructive ability as has been shown give it that limitation. We don't give people feats beyond what they've shown like we're a charity or something. What it's shown to be capable of is what it's capable of. Force Lightning isn't a large enough attack to destroy much before the wielder died of old age or the world recovered faster than they destroyed it. Sidious' storm has been said to be capable of tearing the surface off of worlds, though I don't believe it says all the surface. But given it's largest shown size and if he could maintain it for long enough, he could sweep it across a planet and destroy it that way. That doesn't make it a planet-busting attack though.
Sidious can destroy fleets, so yeah? 😕
Originally posted by Nephthys
It doesn't need to be said, lol. It's size and destructive ability as has been shown give it that limitation. We don't give people feats beyond what they've shown like we're a charity or something. What it's shown to be capable of is what it's capable of. Force Lightning isn't a large enough attack to destroy much before the wielder died of old age or the world recovered faster than they destroyed it. Sidious' storm has been said to be capable of tearing the surface off of worlds, though I don't believe it says all the surface. But given it's largest shown size and if he could maintain it for long enough, he could sweep it across a planet and destroy it that way. That doesn't make it a planet-busting attack though.Sidious can destroy fleets, so yeah? 😕
> says we don't give people feats beyond what they've shown
> wants to do that with the Dread Masters/Vitiate
lol
Force storms are said to be able to "kill worlds," "tear the surfaces off worlds," and "threaten to consume all of space." Its ability to destroy planets is consistently affirmed.
Yeah I mean that Sidious can obviously do anything any other Sith can do since he's clearly more powerful than any of them. Same logic.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
A single star destroyer can easily perform a base delta zero and turn a planetary surface to molten lava, which would far exceed what Vitiate's rituals can do. A single star destroyer logically could not destroy a fleet of star destroyers within a reasonable amount of time. Palpatine's storms can.
Can they vaporize oceans? Vaporize living beings? Extensively harm the planet's atmosphere?
You underestimate severity of Vitiate's demonstration way too much.