Vitiate didn't require any help or prep on Ziost. He just did. The very fact that he targeted the force while keeping everything else intact speaks of the power of his "ritual", and his ability to pick and choose planetary targets down to the most minute detail. The insecure pseudo intellectualism in this thread is groundbreaking, honestly. Based on that alone, you're right DE.
I feel like this thread may have reached well beyond anyones ability to give a shit tbh.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
...no? As I said, it visibly doesn't reduce the planet's surface to molten slag, nor does it blow away the atmosphere, nor does it vaporize oceans - base delta zeroes can do all of these things.
After Vitiate's super-attack:
- Life-forms consumed? Check
- Oceans consumed? Check
- Atmosphere harmed? Check
- Planetary-scale destruction? Check
- Environmental anomalies? Check
Originally posted by Nephthys
Because its a heat/energy based attack that's capable of doing those things. Vitiate's attack is Force/sorcery based and is only supposed to be forcibly draining life and the force out of things and stuffing them into Vitiate. That it is actually capable of causing physical destruction despite the fact that it really should not be doing that based off of the mechanics of the attack only speak of how mind-bogglingly powerful it must be in terms of force power.Did you forget that its a force attack and doesn't directly correlate with space lasers? It seems like you just forgot that.....
This! So much this.
It baffles me that some try to compare feats of Force Drain with those powers and/or weapons that are actually designed to destroy matter. Force Drain powers are not designed to destroy matter; they are designed to affect life-forms and the Force. In spite of this, Vitiate's expression of Force Drain harmed the entire planet beyond the point of recovery.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
LMAO this only became a thing because people disputed that Force storms were more destructive, rather than trying to counterbalance this with Vitiate's advantages.
Your mindset is at fault. You brought the raw destructive argument and even superlasers to make a point that was entirely meaningless.
LMAO Legend, you were arguing about destructive output throughout this entire thread, don't suddenly try to claim you were dismissing its relevance from the start.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Before Vitiate's super-attack:After Vitiate's super-attack:
[IMG]http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111138626/5126506-after.jpg
- Life-forms consumed? Check
- Oceans consumed? Check
- Atmosphere harmed? Check
- Planetary-scale destruction? Check
- Environmental anomalies? Check
I don't see the crust turned to molten lava. 0/10 not impressive.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
What? When did this become a dick measuring contest between the Desolator and an ISD? Have you truly so lost sight of your argument in such a short amount of time?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
You used the fact that even the Desolator, a superweapon, couldn't kill all life on a planet as proof that a BSD could not. And yet multiple sources have been raised stating a BSD is intended to wipe out all life on a planet, and can reduce to surface to molten slag. You are therefore wrong.The obvious fact that a super weapon that can one-shot a planet is better than a BSD is entirely irrelevant, and I can only assume is birthed from your compulsive disorder to wank everything OR related. 😂How else would they reduce the surface to molten slag, you know the stuff beneath a planet's crust?
And what's with the complusion to repeat the same phrases over and over, do you have OCD?What is this supposed to convey?
Actions speak louder then words. 👆
Originally posted by Beniboybling
But if we're going to spam photos:That's an image of the destruction of a planetary crust, creating massive impacts visible from space. 👆
Originally posted by The Ellimist
LMAO Legend, you were arguing about destructive output throughout this entire thread, don't suddenly try to claim you were dismissing its relevance from the start.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is such a pathetic argument. You are not just comparing apples and oranges but also presenting logical fallacies.Force Storm is a wormhole with blackhole-like properties (wormholes are often dubbed as quantum-entangled blackholes). Should there be no tail at its end, a Force Storm will behave like a blackhole and consume matter in its path for as long as it lasts.
Now, durability of matter/object/machine is meaningless vis-a-vis a blackhole and similar manifestations (should the matter/object/machine be on the receiving-end of such destructive energies) because a blackhole can consume even atoms. And everything comes down to atoms at its tiniest level. Even a micro-blackhole can consume/actually consumes atoms for as long as it lasts.
Your point is that an ISD is like a 'atomic bomb' in motion whose explosion could theoretically wipe out a city. This is all meaningless when an ISD comes into contact with a blackhole or similar manifestation, it will be literally consumed to the last atom. The sheer toughness/power output/destructive power of an ISD will be utterly useless against such manifestations.
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It took combined might of just dozen (or so) Force-users to push an entire fleet of ISDs [17 in total] outside a Star System. They are not that hard to affect. Force-users are largely hindered by mindset.
Now, do you think that those Force-users could move a planet like that? No, they could not. Not even close. Because a planet is enormous in mass, infinitely larger then any Starship.
Similarly, it takes combined might of a dozen (or so) Force-users to conjure a Force Storm as well, with little practice. Conjuring this power is not a mammoth task; Palpatine learned to do it single-handedly after years of practice.
In contrast, it took 8000 Sith to conjure an expression of Force Drain that would consume all life in the planet and reduce it to a barren wasteland. Reason is that it was too much area to cover and affect. Again, the purpose of Force Drain is entirely different from that of Force Storm; Force Drain powers are intended to affect and/or consume living beings (not matter). However, raw power involved in a planetary-scale attack can be humongous.
1. You have comprehension problems? Check
2. You have memory issues? Check
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I don't see the crust turned to molten lava. 0/10 not impressive.
The crust turned into a corrosive environment, leading to creation of anomalies on the surface. 👆
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My first post in this thread:
ROFLAMO! You actually wanted to quote the part where you f*cked up basic physics and tried to brag about it. 😂
BTW, you don't even understand your own post - you weren't trying to downplay the comparison of destructive power at all, you were just suggesting that the Storms' destructive power was a function of the size of the object and not its shielding/whatever.
Again, apples and oranges comparison.The crust turned into a corrosive environment, leading to creation of anomalies on the surface. 👆
...which is less destructive than turning it to lava. What part of this is so difficult for you to accept? "Apples and oranges" is a sh*tty reply because different kinds of events can still be evaluated via a common metric, .ie power/energy output.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
ROFLAMO! You actually wanted to quote the part where you f*cked up basic physics and tried to brag about it. 😂
You are the one presenting baseless theories here, not me.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
BTW, you don't even understand your own post - you weren't trying to downplay the comparison of destructive power at all, you were just suggesting that the Storms' destructive power was a function of the size of the object and not its shielding/whatever.
I elaborated the nature of blackholes and similar manifestations. I pointed out that properties of the matter are largely irrelevant to them; they siphon atoms from the matter until nothing is left. Of-course, they pack tremendous amount of energy that have no conventional counter. However, mass is the only aspect that determines how much time a blackhole or a similar manifestation will need to consume an object. You cannot expect a micro-blackhole to consume Earth even in a span of even billions of years. However, a much larger blackhole will consume Earth in a day or even less.
The above is true for even Force Storm because it is a manifestation of energy similar to that of a blackhole (a wormhole). It consumed those Starships on a short notice because it was much larger then them. The durability of Starships became irrelevant against such a manifestation. Same Force Storm would have taken a lot longer to consume a solar body like planet due to its sheer mass.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
...which is less destructive than turning it to lava. What part of this is so difficult for you to accept? "Apples and oranges" is a sh*tty reply because different kinds of events can still be evaluated via a common metric, .ie power/energy output.
I have said it again and again that Force Drain powers are not designed to affect matter. Isn't it ****ing obvious?
Your nonsensical use of science to draw a comparison between Dark magic and forces that actually affect matter is utterly pathetic and beyond stupidity.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Force Storms are honestly more like super-chaotic hyperspace tornados than black holes, at least from my perspective.
Should a wormhole become unstable (lose its tail or origin point), it will consume anything travelling through it much like a blackhole before dissipating.