Originally posted by ZenwolfYeah its hardly surprising given all that that they can slag entire planets.
Also regarding the ISD's reactor..Their hyperspace generator uses more raw energy in a single jump than many planetary nations use in their entire lifetimes.
So the fact such energy is pretty much an afterthought to the Empire, is telling.
The fact that they condensed a generator that would generate that much energy into a ship, along with a mini sun is also interesting.
The answer to Legend's dilemma is pretty clear. He is wrong about base delta zeroes not being able to destroy all lifeforms - Zenwolf gave plenty of sources saying exactly the opposite - so he just tries to dismiss those sources because another one seems to contradict them. Of course, that contradiction makes the assumption that the superlaser in question > a base delta zero, and that this one source outweighs several others, but let's run with these stupid holes in his argument:
Vitiate's ritual kills everyone, but its environmental damage is disproportionately small. Clearly it has some special targeting and isn't just doing it via a big explosion. We are, however, debating raw power in this tangent. The energy needed to kill/vaporize/etc. every human on Earth, for example, is vastly smaller than that needed to turn the surface to molten slag. This means that Vitiate's Ziost ritual is less energetic even though it [allegedly] kills more people. Legend just decided to use death count as the sole indicator of destructive output, even though slagging the surface would actually require far more. It is [assuming the above] more effective at killing people because it focuses on that, but it doesn't compare to Sidious's Storms in raw destruction. 👆
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Vitiate's ritual kills everyone, but its environmental damage is disproportionately small. Clearly it has some special targeting and isn't just doing it via a big explosion. We are, however, debating raw power in this tangent. The energy needed to kill/vaporize/etc. every human on Earth, for example, is vastly smaller than that needed to turn the surface to molten slag. This means that Vitiate's Ziost ritual [b]is less energetic even though it [allegedly] kills more people. [/B]
No it doesn't. The fact that a drain is even capable of causing that caliber of destruction suggests it's grossly, disproportionately powerful.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't. The fact that a drain is even capable of causing that caliber of destruction suggests it's grossly, disproportionately powerful.
...no? As I said, it visibly doesn't reduce the planet's surface to molten slag, nor does it blow away the atmosphere, nor does it vaporize oceans - base delta zeroes can do all of these things.
Because its a heat/energy based attack that's capable of doing those things. Vitiate's attack is Force/sorcery based and is only supposed to be forcibly draining life and the force out of things and stuffing them into Vitiate. That it is actually capable of causing physical destruction despite the fact that it really should not be doing that based off of the mechanics of the attack only speak of how mind-bogglingly powerful it must be in terms of force power.
Did you forget that its a force attack and doesn't directly correlate with space lasers? It seems like you just forgot that.....
Originally posted by Nephthys
Because its a heat/energy based attack that's capable of doing those things. Vitiate's attack is Force/sorcery based and is only supposed to be forcibly draining life and the force out of things and stuffing them into Vitiate. That it is actually capable of causing physical destruction despite the fact that it really should not be doing that based off of the mechanics of the attack only speak of how mind-bogglingly powerful it must be in terms of force power.
And how do you know what the ratio of its full "force power" to its collateral effects is? lmao
That wasn't the question, anyway. We were arguing that Storms have more destructive power. You seem to agree.
What do you mean? It's a drain, and evidently it is very very very effective at draining things considering even the ****ing colors seem to have been drained, lol. Obviously we're not going to be able to write equations for how strong it's physical energy output is, because thats impossible and retarded.
I thought the question was "which is more impressive". :I
Originally posted by Nephthys
What do you mean? It's a drain, and evidently it is very very very effective at draining things considering even the ****ing colors seem to have been drained, lol. Obviously we're not going to be able to write equations for how strong it's physical energy output is, because thats impossible and retarded.
So you have no argument to make. Gotcha.
I thought the question was "which is more impressive". :I
The sub-point to that which we were discussing has been destructive ability, in case you weren't following along. If you wish to bend the knee to that, then we can explain how this weighs against Vitiate's ritual's advantages.
I asked you to clarify? I don't understand what you want me to do. It's a force/life drain, it isn't even supposed to be physically damaging anything. It's physical destructiveness is nothing more than a side effect of the actual ability. It's like saying my telepathy is shitty because I merely made a few dozen peoples heads explode with pure TP.
And like I said, you can't correlate Vitiates attack with space lasers. Since as you mentioned it has special targeting and isn't an explosion. The destructive ability is it's destructive ability as a drain, not a laser beam. It's raw power comes from the force, not an engine and you cannot compare the output to one because it works in an incomparable manner.
Yet as I pointed out, raw destruction is a worthless thing to compare the two abilities on since Vitiates attack isn't even really supposed to be destroying things, since it's only supposed to be affecting the Force and life.
And Vitiate destroyed Ziost simply to recover to his full strength. Any supposed help he required is irrelevant. That the attack can empower him is a decisive point in its favor.