Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Now it's about increasing strength "at will".
Yes, like Hulk and Superman.
Anyways, it's silly to claim that a character who has an integral part of his mythos of increasing his strength through berserker rage, does not have dynamic strength. This line of thinking is not only illogical, but completely devoid of character knowledge. Instead of making ridiculous claims, just ask nicely if you were unaware. There is however the possibility of you ignoring what you probably know already.
Thor has onky one instance of getting to increase his strength tenfold via warrior madness but that's irreversible and not applicable here.
For starters here he tries to artificially induce this berserker rage through chants instead of the usual rage taking over.
http://imgur.com/VLePsDY
Unfortunate it doesn't work and attributes the failure due to having restrained himself among mortals for far too long.
Yes, which means he can't do it at all. Somehow he doesn't takes off the restraining nature for all those years and gets ten times stronger.
This alone should let you know that his strength is far from static and can be elevated through the level of rage he is in.
The scan flat out says it can't be done that way. hence not even chanting.
And that's an anomaly anyway. Thor, Zeus and Hercules have been in Warrior Madness and it has never increased their strength tenfold.
From an Avengers guidebook.
"His berserker rages increase his strength as he gets more and more angry".
http://imgur.com/CCDR25j
Bios?
😂
Next you'll tell me Thor is 95 tons level only.
When Warlock faces off against an insane and enraged Thor, he recalls his near death past encounter with Thor. An encounter where Thor was in the grip of a version of warrior madness.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock01Infi.jpg.htmlThen as the battle rages on, he realizes that it is futile to physically overpower Thor and that he is even more dangerous now than his last encounter with him in a past enraged state.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock03.jpg.html
Specifically stated as an adrenaline boost which happens to everyone.
Physically overpowers Durok the Demolisher before his killshot who in the past had physically dominated him and the Surfer in the same comic by reaching deep for a strength... never fully realized before!
http://i.imgur.com/GDyb8Ng.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gdgbKt6.jpg
Yes, adrenaline boost again.
While fighting Orlog, (Odin in disguise who had given himself 4x Thor's strength to teach him a lesson) Thor finds his own strength and ultimately wins.
http://i.imgur.com/3BgFAIM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fuEXT2V.jpg
Haha, that never gets old. Thor punched his own axe in his face and it was never through strength he actually won.
Not to mention he has been in an hour long strength lock with Savage Hulk who we know only gets stronger and stronger.
Hulk's dynamic strength wasn't fully established at that point.
Hell he's matched Kurse who supposed to be 4x stronger than him in a strength lock.
Yes, where he was stated as clear underdog and was holding his own via sheer stubbornness. It doesn't means he was suddenly four times stronger than himself.
Goalposts much?
Excuses much?
I replied to your ridiculous original claim."Nah, Thor is Marvel's wonder woman.
When the chips are down, it's Superman and Hulk who are called to smash the shit out of the big bad.
Remember Onslaught saga?"
Now you're adding Thor looking better than Hulk in strength when it comes to big stories?
Yes, why not? As you are claiming that Thor has dynamic strength, it must be shown somewhere, right?
No one is claiming that Thor is stronger than Hulk. That is Hulk's calling card. However defeating "the big bad" doesn't always require to be the strongest one there is. Only an idiot would think that. It's nearly as bad as Thor isn't about strength. Though he has an incredibly varied powerset, he surely is about strength. In comics he is synonymous with strength, hammer, and lightning.
No, he is not. He is the god of Thunder. Not God of Strength. That's Magni in his own comics.
Good for him. Not surprised since he's a comic book powerhouse.
😂
Like I said, he is a comic book powerhouse. Under Starlin it was stated that "he was one of the most physically powerful beings in the universe". High high praise from same writer.
Ok?
Hell in the recent Thanos Infinity series of graphic novels under Starlin, Thor was the last hero standing with Thanos. Every other powerhouse available had already perished from Annihilus's attack. I'm talking about powerhouses that included Surfer, Hyperion, Gladiator, Captain Universe, Black Bolt, Firelord, Terrax, Loki, and Doom.
Yeah, Captain America is totally badass as he was the last man standing against IG Thanos.
Wait........
Again no one is saying he is stronger than these two. But the idea that he is not competitive in strength just smells of butthurt.
No, it is just the truth.
We all know the real reason why you get such a titie attack anytime Thor's strength and or speed is involved. Because you think that without those two as a major advantage for you know who, there really isn't anything much left. Your insecurity knows no bounds.
Haha, this is just hilarious. The sheer excuses for Thor are mind numbing.
Sad part is I know you will do your usual ignoring of proof.
Oh Celey, even after enduring so many humiliating defeats for Thor, you are still defending Odinson?
Too bad.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, like Hulk and Superman.Thor has onky one instance of getting to increase his strength tenfold via warrior madness but that's irreversible and not applicable here.
Err... Ignoring on panel proof doesn't make it go away and doesn't make it less butthurtfull for you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, which means he can't do it at all. Somehow he doesn't takes off the restraining nature for all those years and gets ten times stronger.The scan flat out says it can't be done that way. hence not even chanting.
And that's an anomaly anyway. Thor, Zeus and Hercules have been in Warrior Madness and it has never increased their strength tenfold.
facepalm
The scan does not say that it can't be done that way. Obviously it is some sort of Asgardian process to induce berserker rage through chants/magic. The scan is basically showing that it failed in this instance with Thor attributing the failure due to holding back his strength for years from living with mortals. Reading incomprehension much?
And yet he has increased his strength substantially on panel in different eras and under different writers.
What does Zeus and Hercules have to do with Thor's ability to increase his strength? Looks like it's about that time you start spewing useless shiet when cornered.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Bios?😂
Next you'll tell me Thor is 95 tons level only.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Specifically stated as an adrenaline boost which happens to everyone.Yes, adrenaline boost again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, that never gets old. Thor punched his own axe in his face and it was never through strength he actually won.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk's dynamic strength wasn't fully established at that point.
Tales to Astonish #78 (1959)
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk/HulkRespect02TTA078.jpg.html
Incredible Hulk #228(1962)
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk/HulkRespect03a228.jpg.html
There are many more examples. You my friend are a flat out liar.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, where he was stated as clear underdog and was holding his own via sheer stubbornness. It doesn't means he was suddenly four times stronger than himself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Excuses much?Yes, why not? As you are claiming that Thor has dynamic strength, it must be shown somewhere, right?
Continue to ignore proof. As usual you are just digging your own grave here. If being a joke is fun for you, by all means be my guest.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he is not. He is the god of Thunder. Not God of Strength. That's Magni in his own comics.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Ok?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, Captain America is totally badass as he was the last man standing against IG Thanos.Wait........
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it is just the truth.Haha, this is just hilarious. The sheer excuses for Thor are mind numbing.
Oh Celey, even after enduring so many humiliating defeats for Thor, you are still defending Odinson?
Too bad.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes through increased rage.
]Err... Ignoring on panel proof doesn't make it go away and doesn't make it less butthurtfull for you.
😂
What ignoring? Thor himself saying he can't do it?
The scan was to point out that baked in the character, is an avenue for a substantial increase in strength.
Which he can't access. Tough shit.
facepalm
The scan does not say that it can't be done that way. Obviously it is some sort of Asgardian process to induce berserker rage through chants/magic.
Yes, which failed and Thor says he can't do it anymore.
What is hard to understand about that?
The scan is basically showing that it failed in this instance with Thor attributing the failure due to holding back his strength for years from living with mortals. Reading incomprehension much?
So why would it be successful any other time? Does Thor not hangs with mortals anymore?
And yet he has increased his strength substantially on panel in different eras and under different writers.
No, he hasn't.
What does Zeus and Hercules have to do with Thor's ability to increase his strength? Looks like it's about that time you start spewing useless shiet when cornered.
Thor specifically said Zeus' warrior madness is the same as asgardians.
Why are you backing away from it now? Thor himself went in Warrior Madness against Adam Warlock and Merged Hulk.
Nowhere near ten times stronger.
😬
Really? It's viable source proof that only serves to back up my point. At least with me I have actual scans from stories that coincide with it. Do you want me to pull up all the times you've utilized bios? Hypocrisy much?
When have I ever used bios? The bios are always unreliable.
There is not a single proof that Thor can start increasing his strength with being angry. That's Hulk.
Lol... Abhi.. This "adrenaline boost" allows him to physically contend with opponents 4x stronger than him, physically overpower powerful teams, and defeat opponents previously thought to be stronger than him.
BRB must have dynamic strength too.
It's utterly sad that you constantly throw around the phrase "dynamic strength" without actually knowing the meaning of the word "dynamic".
😂
Dynamic strength means that the character's strength keeps increasing with a factor. Hulk has it. Superman has it. She hulk has it.
Thor doesn't. Never has.
Lol no. He won through strength and skill. Hell the whole point of the story was to show that he is not only about Mjolnir. For the period of a year Odin took away Mjolnir and commanded him to rely only on his nerve and sinew (which means muscle which obviously implies strength).
Hulk and Superman don't need skills for that. See when Galaxy Master amped Abomination to be twice as strong as hulk. Hulk simply became angrier and kicked the shit out of Blonsky.
Or when Doomsday kept thrashing Superman and the entire League, Superman simply stopped holding back and beat Doomsday to death with his bare hands in moments while being near dead.
On the other hand when Beyonder made Kurse twice as strong as Thor, Thor needed his belt of Strength to become that strong.
Why would he have to do that when he can simply become twice as strong IYO?
Gtfo. That's from Defenders 10(1972). His amazingly dynamic strength from anger has been established years before.
Tales to Astonish #78 (1959)
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk/HulkRespect02TTA078.jpg.htmlIncredible Hulk #228(1962)
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk/HulkRespect03a228.jpg.htmlThere are many more examples. You my friend are a flat out liar.
There's not a single instant under Englehart who wrote Defenders where Hulk became stronger. That's what I'm talking about. The dynamic strength wasn't clearly established. Just a few years before Rhino stalemated Hulk for days into a slugfest.
Coincidentally Englehart had Wonder Man overpower Thor in a armlock. If Thor was actually able to increase his strength, that wouldn't happen.
And Hulk 228 is from 1978.
Lol.... What a pathetic reply. Through stubbornness? It means he can raise his levels even when pitted against opponents who have been stated to be exponentially stronger than him on panel.
That's what the comic says.
Yeah, remind me why he had to use his belt of Strength against a weaker Kurse.
Looks like you're running out of them.
Hahaha.
Continue to ignore proof. As usual you are just digging your own grave here. If being a joke is fun for you, by all means be my guest.
Concession accepted.
First of all, what a dumb statement. You don't have to have the title of god of strength to be universally considered as one of the physically strongest heroes in Marvel. And jokes on you. The very first super power he exhibited when first turning into a god was super strength.
What your point? Thor is insanely strong. He can't increase his strength though.
He is not hulk.
Under Starlin, Thor was stated to be "one of the physically most powerful beings in the universe.
So? Under Starlin Gladiator was stated to be equal to Hulk in strength.
So are you going to accept Gladiator is stronger than Thor?
Don't be foolish. Cap was "last" because he was giving the orders and directing the whole team. And technically he wasn't last. He was a distraction for Surfer to swoop in to try and steal the IG. Your example isn't at all comparable.
Yeah, that's exactly what Thor was. He was killed in one direct blast. Just like every other hero.
Just like Cap was.
Of course he's competitive in strength. Didn't you run last time when asked to prove that Superman is far and away stronger and more powerful than Thor?
You just bitched and moaned.
He really isn't. Even savage hulk is stronger than Thor.
Forget about Superman or any other Hulk.
No one is making excuses here.
In fact your whole post is riddled with ridiculous logic, lies, and just flat out lack of knowledge on characters you purport to know about.
Yeah, bitching and moaning in thread number 1081.
Keep making excuses about Thor though. I really need a good laugh.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.😂
What ignoring? Thor himself saying he can't do it?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Which he can't access. Tough shit.Yes, which failed and Thor says he can't do it anymore.
What is hard to understand about that?
So why would it be successful any other time? Does Thor not hangs with mortals anymore?
And yet he has through enraged states and just simply doing it at will like he did against Orlog and Durok. Why continue to ignore on panel evidence?
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he hasn't.Thor specifically said Zeus' warrior madness is the same as asgardians.
Why are you backing away from it now? Thor himself went in Warrior Madness against Adam Warlock and Merged Hulk.
Nowhere near ten times stronger.
Backing away from what? He did go into some sort of warrior madness, but you fail to remember Thor was temporarily and artificially powered by Leader. Artificially powered by Leader is simply =/= to regular Thor. I invite you to say otherwise, but it won't look good for you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
When have I ever used bios? The bios are always unreliable.There is not a single proof that Thor can start increasing his strength with being angry. That's Hulk.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice fan fiction. BRB while weakened beat the shit out of him while that boosted.BRB must have dynamic strength too.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Dynamic strength means that the character's strength keeps increasing with a factor. Hulk has it. Superman has it. She hulk has it.
Thor doesn't. Never has.
Continue to ignore proof and continue to produce none. Really not helping your case.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk and Superman don't need skills for that. See when Galaxy Master amped Abomination to be twice as strong as hulk. Hulk simply became angrier and kicked the shit out of Blonsky.Or when Doomsday kept thrashing Superman and the entire League, Superman simply stopped holding back and beat Doomsday to death with his bare hands in moments while being near dead.
On the other hand when Beyonder made Kurse twice as strong as Thor, Thor needed his belt of Strength to become that strong.
Why would he have to do that when he can simply become twice as strong IYO?
The writer wrote in the use of BoS. There are different ways of writing a story. So what? It doesn't change any of the examples that have been shown to you.
What would happen if I asked you why didn't Superman increase his strength when the Anointed One was killing him(and ultimately did)? Shouldn't he have raised his levels since he knows the excruciating pain of dying before? Get me bro? Stop with your double standards. You keep getting stuck on specific stories all the while ignoring the overall picture.
Originally posted by abhilegend
There's not a single instant under Englehart who wrote Defenders where Hulk became stronger. That's what I'm talking about. The dynamic strength wasn't clearly established. Just a few years before Rhino stalemated Hulk for days into a slugfest.Coincidentally Englehart had Wonder Man overpower Thor in a armlock. If Thor was actually able to increase his strength, that wouldn't happen.
And Hulk 228 is from 1978.
Correction on Hulk#228 and Tales to Astonish #78. It was 1974 for Hulk #228 and 1966 for TtA#78. Plus Defenders 10 was actually 1973. So that makes one just a year after and the other one a whole 8 years before.
And there's TtA #73 (1965) where his dynamic strength is on display again. Even earlier than the others.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Strength/SavageHulkLifting04TTA073.jpg.html
Heck in Tales to Astonish #70 He states that "The madder I get, the stronger I get".
Come on. Who are you fooling here?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what the comic says.Yeah, remind me why he had to use his belt of Strength against a weaker Kurse.
Hahaha.
Concession accepted.
Read above regarding Kurse...
And yet more useless drivel from you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm
What your point? Thor is insanely strong. He can't increase his strength though.He is not hulk.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So? Under Starlin Gladiator was stated to be equal to Hulk in strength.So are you going to accept Gladiator is stronger than Thor?
Anyways.. Was he? Can't recall that statement to be honest.
Not by feats no.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's exactly what Thor was. He was killed in one direct blast. Just like every other hero.Just like Cap was.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I remember otherwise.You just bitched and moaned.
He really isn't. Even savage hulk is stronger than Thor.
Forget about Superman or any other Hulk.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, bitching and moaning in thread number 1081.Keep making excuses about Thor though. I really need a good laugh.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol... Don't get stuck on one scan. You have been provided multiple sources. While you haven't provided anything, but complete denial.
Haha, what? Thor himself says he can't do it but suddenly he can? What, he just became detached of mortals all of a sudden?
Abhi.. It failed in that instance. The first time on panel he tried to artificially induce a berserker mindset. Doesn't mean it can never be done.
That artificial augmentation? Nope it can't be done. Entering warrior madness doesn't makes you ten times stronger. Ask Him or Zeus or Hercules.
And yet he has through enraged states and just simply doing it at will like he did against Orlog and Durok. Why continue to ignore on panel evidence?
Yes, he momentarily wrestled with Durok and punched Orlog in face with hos own axe to beat him.
Neither of them show an increase of strength.
All well in good for Zeus, but he's not the character in question here.
What about against Adam Warlock when Thor explicitly entered Warrior Madness?
Backing away from what? He did go into some sort of warrior madness, but you fail to remember Thor was temporarily and artificially powered by Leader.
Which restored his power. Not that he was gained some other power source.
Artificially powered by Leader is simply =/= to regular Thor. I invite you to say otherwise, but it won't look good for you.
Why not? Thor himself said that his power was restored. Do you know what "restored" means?
Lol.. Oh the hypocrisy. You have used bios/handbooks on more than one occasion. Hell you tried to use marveluapp website (which is technically unofficial) against me in the past. Gtfo...
Just for information on a subject where your interpretation was once again quite erratic.
Not to prove say Captain Marvel has dynamic strength.
Weakened? Hmm.. Don't recall that. Brb is a beast. Good showing for him..
Yes, he was weakened by the beatings Thor gave to him. Now, its just "BRB is a beast"? Haha, you're so fickle.
But you know damn well as I do Thor was only getting stronger as the story progressed.
No, he wasn't. He was getting stronger only with the PG and that was explicitly stated.
Backed up by the fact that he beat the tar out of Warlock and Surfer soon after. Plus he did things like one shotting PG Draz and later on dominating the Infinity Watch. Come on bro...
Under two different writers. Under Marz he was totally consistent with how he portrayed Thor in strength.
You're dismissing the letter page where it is clearly stated that Thor was on an adrenaline boost all the time and it was on a level only. He didn't become Hulk all of a sudden.
Dynamic in reference to this thread means "always active or changing".
Nope. Thor can't up or down his strength.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/subconsciousblocks.jpg
This is dynamic power.
Continue to ignore proof and continue to produce none. Really not helping your case.
"But of Hulk alone can be said, the longer he fights, the stronger he grows."
Explicitly informed that Thor can't increase his strength.
Anything else?
And yet Thor was even more powerful according to Warlock in his encounter during B&T than when he first met him in an earlier enraged state years back.
Yes, his adrenaline boosted state made his physically stronger. That's shooting your own theory that warrior madness makes you ten times stronger.
Because B&T Thor wasn't 10 times stronger, was he?
And yet Thor was even stronger and physically overpowered Durok who had physically dominated him and Surfer in the past. Both comics referencing strength.
Yes, explicitly stated to be the like of a mother lifting the car off a child and even then it was an energy blast. Not by sheer strength.
That's the writer himself clarifying what was mentioned in the comic.
The writer wrote in the use of BoS. There are different ways of writing a story. So what? It doesn't change any of the examples that have been shown to you.
If only any of them had mentioned Thor increasing his strength.
Alas, all you have is your excuses.
What would happen if I asked you why didn't Superman increase his strength when the Anointed One was killing him(and ultimately did)? Shouldn't he have raised his levels since he knows the excruciating pain of dying before? Get me bro? Stop with your double standards. You keep getting stuck on specific stories all the while ignoring the overall picture.
Because Superman held back. That's what made the difference and was stated explicitly in the comic.
Cornered again I see. Now it's just about Engleheart. Backpedaling foof.
Yes, let's take the random instances where his strength increased and lump it together for a different scene under a different writer.
Coolio.
Correction on Hulk#228 and Tales to Astonish #78. It was 1974 for Hulk #228 and 1966 for TtA#78. Plus Defenders 10 was actually 1973. So that makes one just a year after and the other one a whole 8 years before.And there's TtA #73 (1965) where his dynamic strength is on display again. Even earlier than the others.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Strength/SavageHulkLifting04TTA073.jpg.htmlHeck in Tales to Astonish #70 He states that "The madder I get, the stronger I get".
Yes, he had some instances where he got stronger and some where he didn't. That's why I said that it wasn't clear at that point.
But hey, show me Hulk getting stronger in any Defenders issue by that point. Just one time.
Come on. Who are you fooling here?
You're in denial. Again.
What a surprise!
Stubbornness. Smdh...
Yeah, I'm the one who is stubborn while you are the one who is touting Thor having dynamic strength while thousands of comics deny that.
Right..........
Read above regarding Kurse...
Read what, your excuses? No thanks.
And yet more useless drivel from you.
At this point you are a broken record. Read above.
So many excuses. "Waah, waah, Thor has dynamic strength like Hulk and Superman. Why don't you believe me".
Cry me a river.
That was clarification on an earlier post in case you misread.
Yeah, right.
Anyways.. Was he? Can't recall that statement to be honest.
Yes, explicitly stated.
Not by feats no.
Yeah, now backpeddling.
No amount of skirting around will change what happened. Last man standing with Thanos.
Because he wasn't hit by a direct blast yet. As soon as it did, he was killed like everyone else save Thanos.
Some feat it is.
Lol no. You said no and made some excuse about having no time, yet you made yourself available in some bz not long after.
What are you talking about idiot? I took away my name from a BZ before that.
But yeah, I remember you trying and failing Thor beating a single herald in h2h for 40 pages and crying and moaning all the way.
Good times.
Time and again you ignore proof, create smokescreens, fall into traps, use double standards, and make hypocritical claims.
You are in such a deep denial. Thor never had dynamic strength like Hulk and Superman.
Deal with it.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Thor never showed to have dynamic strength hmmm, so I guess the world engine feat most be his standard level of strength,Almost every character has some firm if dynamic strength when the writer feels it is necessary for the comic.
Such feats are meaningless anyway. Only against characters the strength can be measured.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
meaningless feats ?without said feats if two character's fought their battle would be meaningless :
It is meaningless though. Hulk overpowered an Abstract and has been shown to have skin as durable as adamantium. Can I consistently bring that up as a normal for him? Fights are the better site of things.
Originally posted by carver9
and has been shown to have skin as durable as adamantium
Waid's Indestructible Hulk? That was a beastly showing... but...
... bullets aren't actually sharp. No-selling them is one thing. Apparently they have not been fired with enough force.
Wolverine's claws are much superior to bullets, why? They've been honed as keen as possible, having surpassing their original razor-like sharpness as bone claws (only Deathstrike has boasted to have sharper claws) and are less than 1mm thick. Not to mention that they are backed up by superhuman strength, which shouldn't really be a factor unless we go by handbooks, but Logan still has more to offer in that particular department than a mere handgun.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? Thor himself says he can't do it but suddenly he can? What, he just became detached of mortals all of a sudden?That artificial augmentation? Nope it can't be done. Entering warrior madness doesn't makes you ten times stronger. Ask Him or Zeus or Hercules.
I don't care what specific number involves warrior madness. The fact remains he has increased his strength substantially with a berserker mindset as well as simply reaching deeper.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he momentarily wrestled with Durok and punched Orlog in face with hos own axe to beat him.Neither of them show an increase of strength.
"There I was. outmatched..." (opponent 4x stronger)
"But I found the strength..."
http://i.imgur.com/fuEXT2V.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
What about against Adam Warlock when Thor explicitly entered Warrior Madness?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Which restored his power. Not that he was gained some other power source.Why not? Thor himself said that his power was restored. Do you know what "restored" means?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just for information on a subject where your interpretation was once again quite erratic.Not to prove say Captain Marvel has dynamic strength.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he was weakened by the beatings Thor gave to him. Now, its just "BRB is a beast"? Haha, you're so fickle.No, he wasn't. He was getting stronger only with the PG and that was explicitly stated.
Thor fought PG Drax in a knock down drag out prolonged battle a few issues back in his insane mindset. Later in B&T he was easily able to one shot PG Drax... And again later dominate him along with the Infinity Watch.
Bill was able to put Thor down briefly when Surfer was around. Soon after he easily destroys Bill again and nearly kills Surfer and Warlock at the same time. It was quite evident that he was only getting more and more enraged and getting more powerful as the story went along.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Under two different writers. Under Marz he was totally consistent with how he portrayed Thor in strength.You're dismissing the letter page where it is clearly stated that Thor was on an adrenaline boost all the time and it was on a level only. He didn't become Hulk all of a sudden.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Thor can't up or down his strength.http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/subconsciousblocks.jpg
This is dynamic power.
Originally posted by abhilegend"But of Hulk alone can be said, the longer he fights, the stronger he grows."
Explicitly informed that Thor can't increase his strength.
Anything else?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, his adrenaline boosted state made his physically stronger. That's shooting your own theory that warrior madness makes you ten times stronger.Because B&T Thor wasn't 10 times stronger, was he?
Lol... That's probably one of the earliest if not the earliest iteration of warrior madness. I don't even think 10x boost was ever said back then. Personally I don't even subscribe to this 10x number. Different writers have different interpretations of it. On panel, it is indisputable that his strength substantially increases with rage. There have been too many examples of this in his history. It's even in some of his bios. It's really like a built in plot device allowing him to contend with opponents that on paper should be stronger or more powerful.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, explicitly stated to be the like of a mother lifting the car off a child and even then it was an energy blast. Not by sheer strength.That's the writer himself clarifying what was mentioned in the comic.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If only any of them had mentioned Thor increasing his strength.Alas, all you have is your excuses.
Because Superman held back. That's what made the difference and was stated explicitly in the comic.
I wasn't saying he wasn't holding back. He may have.
I guess every time he losses it means he's holding back? The point is just because Thor is not explicitly stated to increasing his strength at any given instance, it doesn't mean he is unable to do so like what you tried to portray when he used BoS. It is simply foolish to go that route when he has already showed this ability many times. Why did Superman amp himself vs HP DD? Shouldn't he have just made himself stronger? Lol... Get me?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, let's take the random instances where his strength increased and lump it together for a different scene under a different writer.Coolio.
Yes, he had some instances where he got stronger and some where he didn't. That's why I said that it wasn't clear at that point.
But hey, show me Hulk getting stronger in any Defenders issue by that point. Just one time.
You're in denial. Again.
What a surprise!
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, I'm the one who is stubborn while you are the one who is touting Thor having dynamic strength while thousands of comics deny that.Right..........
Originally posted by abhilegend
Read what, your excuses? No thanks.Hahaha.
So many excuses. "Waah, waah, Thor has dynamic strength like Hulk and Superman. Why don't you believe me".
Cry me a river.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, right.Yes, explicitly stated.
Yeah, now backpeddling.
Ok. Gladz is as strong as Hulk in your opinion? You're entitled to your own.
How is me believing Thor is stronger than Gladz backpedaling?
superdur
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he wasn't hit by a direct blast yet. As soon as it did, he was killed like everyone else save Thanos.Some feat it is.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about idiot? I took away my name from a BZ before that.But yeah, I remember you trying and failing Thor beating a single herald in h2h for 40 pages and crying and moaning all the way.
Good times.
Lol... You ignored proof after proof like you're doing now. And haven't you realized it yet? I prolong these posts because it shows how many times you use smokescreens, double standards, hypocritical statements, backpedaling, moving goalposts, and outright lies.
It's quite amusing.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are in such a deep denial. Thor never had dynamic strength like Hulk and Superman.Deal with it.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
[B]Not going to keep holding your hand to understand one scan. Reading incomprehension at its fullest.
Yeah, you tell that everytime when nobody else interprets the scan as you.
Laughable really.
I don't care what specific number involves warrior madness. The fact remains he has increased his strength substantially with a berserker mindset as well as simply reaching deeper.
Then how does an adrenaline boost made his stronger than Warrior Madness?
Clearly overpowers a guy who has physically dominated both him and Surfer in the past.
"Even with Mjolnir beside me, I could barely stand against you before."
"Thor reaches deep into himself for a strength never fully realized before!"
http://i.imgur.com/GDyb8Ng.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gdgbKt6.jpg
Yes, "mother lifts the car" moment for Thor. He didn't overpower him though, he matched him in strength in an armlock and killed him by an energy blast.
"There I was. outmatched..." (opponent 4x stronger)
"But I found the strength..."
http://i.imgur.com/fuEXT2V.jpg
Yes, the strength to continue the fight. Not becoming stronger.
Lulzworthy tactic though. Anytime a hero gets a second wind, they are just becoming stronger.
Right,,,,,,,,,
What about it? He went berserk and nearly beat Warlock to death. And their next encounter w/Surfer, Warlock claimed he was even more powerful. Pretty dynamic eh?
Yes, an adrenaline boost which was pretty static made his stronger than average. How do you reconcile that?
Lol... Again. Leader artificially powering Thor =/= to his Asgardian powers actually being restored. Now if you think Leader has the ability to muck with Asgardian magics, then you are loonier than I thought.
Yeah, no. Thor specifically says that his powers were totally restored by Leader and he had the power of a god.
Does it anywhere says that Leader restored his powers without "getting stronger" powers?
Lol. So you admit to using bios? Good. Concession accepted.
hysterical
Never used a bio to prove something out of the comic.
No real proof in Bill being "weakened".
Of course there is.
Thor just finished beating on Surfer giving Bill time to recover to hit Thor from behind... Which gave Surfer time to recover and bull rush Thor. Thor smacks Surfer a couple more times and then Thor & Bill fight again. So what? You are subscribing to the idea that one is considered "weakened" just because they're in the middle of an extended struggle. If that's the case, anyone is weakened as soon as a fight starts.
Bill was weakened since Thor beat him severely in Thor 461 and then again in Thor 468.
Thor fought PG Drax in a knock down drag out prolonged battle a few issues back in his insane mindset. Later in B&T he was easily able to one shot PG Drax...
Yes, under Starlin. Later under Marz.
And again later dominate him along with the Infinity Watch.
Bill was able to put Thor down briefly when Surfer was around. Soon after he easily destroys Bill again and nearly kills Surfer and Warlock at the same time. It was quite evident that he was only getting more and more enraged and getting more powerful as the story went along.
It was clearly stated that his power was pretty much at the same level since the madness started by an adrenaline boost. Its stated several times actually.
So no, its simply a different view by different writers.
Thor fought and beat BRB in exactly the same way in both Thor 461 and 468 under Marz if you want to compare.
No one is dismissing that. You are completely ignoring the fact that said "adrenaline boost" allowed him to be significantly stronger than his normal self. It goes perfectly in line with his berserker mindset that is part of the character's mythos.
No, it shows that an adrenaline boost can give him strength beyond normal which was sustained by his madness.
It happens even in real life and more so for heroes.
Lol...
Oh you mean like how he was subconsciously holding back against Grogg here? He was holding back and didn't even realize it.
http://i.imgur.com/z0v6UTL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1MyHs2i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DEhjYuq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kftXIYH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tdVs5kO.jpg
Dynamic power?
😂
Adrenaline boost again.
Lol why are you showing me dynamic strength showing from Hulk?
And where was it "explicitly" showed that Thor can't increase his strength?
The statement is clearly about who can increase his strength and its only Hulk.
Not Thor.
Glad you agree that Thor can get physically stronger.
Only to a certain level by adrenaline boost. It doesn't keeps increasing.
Lol... That's probably one of the earliest if not the earliest iteration of warrior madness. I don't even think 10x boost was ever said back then. Personally I don't even subscribe to this 10x number. Different writers have different interpretations of it. On panel, it is indisputable that his strength substantially increases with rage.
Like pretty much every hero with the adrenaline boost. Its not a dynamic strength which can keep increasing more and more.
There have been too many examples of this in his history. It's even in some of his bios. It's really like a built in plot device allowing him to contend with opponents that on paper should be stronger or more powerful.
No, it has never been shown in a comic. He gets an adrenaline boost and that's it.
And? That's nice and all except as stated, his deals with strength on a godly level. Just more proof that his strength can increase significantly based on mindset. It's really nothing that I haven't said before. Keep feeding me proof that helps my case. I don't mind at all.
Haha, you are reaching h1 level now. It was stated as a never before and never after scenario and left Thor so weakened that he could barely stand.
Its nt him getting stronger by his "dynamic strength", its him killing Durok with all he had.
Lol no... You have nothing here so you post useless prattle.
Yeah, right.
I wasn't saying he wasn't holding back. He may have.
He certainly was.
I guess every time he losses it means he's holding back? The point is just because Thor is not explicitly stated to increasing his strength at any given instance, it doesn't mean he is unable to do so like what you tried to portray when he used BoS.
No, but if 50 years of continuity says he can't do it, then he can't do it.
Post a single instance of him getting stronger and it being mentioned and not just adrenaline boosts like here.
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view¤t=DA1_35.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view¤t=DA1_36.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view¤t=DA1_37.jpg
There is no such comment on Thor's strength.
