Originally posted by Selenial
Its quite simple. Yoda also couldn't beat Obi Wan because he turns into a force ghost. Kenobi wins every time 👆
Obi-Wan Kenobi, after embracing ethereal plane, cannot affect external environment (to a significant extent) and neither he can acquire a mortal vessel for the said purpose. So, if he is killed, he won't be coming back to kill his killer; he's done for.
On the other hand, we have Valkorion who is similar to Abeloth; an abomination that defies the will of the Force. I don't feel the need to explain this further. Use your brain.
Originally posted by Selenial
Vitiate couldn't destroy IG-88 because IG-88 has a backup in another system. IG-88 wins every time 👆How aren't you getting this.
IG-88 needs to make a copy his programming and install it in another system to have a fail-safe backup. However, if the backup system is also destroyed, it would be the end of IG-88. Moreover, you cannot apply 'no-limits logic' here because IG-88 needs an adequately advanced hardware for his programming to be compatible with and function at full capability and such hardware won't be common.
LeGenD you don't get it, as usual.
If all you can do is say 'keke teh ground realities makez Valkoriate immortal disembodied essences of bed, bath & beyond' then you've already conceded.
Not considering your no limits fallacy, Valkorion isn't even going to have the time to process becoming spiritual when he gets vaporised in the space of a fraction of a second.
Every time he's died he has had ample time to perform his whole 'evlz speeches hahaha I'm a Cthulhu' to become a spirit and continue his beardiness elsewhere. This time he won't even process the fact he's dead, he isn't getting stabbed he is getting utterly vaporised by a point blank nuclear-tier explosion to the face hitting him faster than he can think.
Originally posted by AncientPower
LeGenD you don't get it, as usual.If all you can do is say 'keke teh ground realities makez Valkoriate immortal disembodied essences of bed, bath & beyond' then you've already conceded.
Not considering your no limits fallacy, Valkorion isn't even going to have the time to process becoming spiritual when he gets vaporised in the space of a fraction of a second.
Every time he's died he has had ample time to perform his whole 'evlz speeches hahaha I'm a Cthulhu' to become a spirit and continue his beardiness elsewhere. This time he won't even process the fact he's dead, he isn't getting stabbed he is getting utterly vaporised by a point blank nuclear-tier explosion to the face hitting him faster than he can think.
And you underestimate Valkorion's reflexes and speed to a silly extent. Even an average Force-user have lightning-fast reflexes and Valkorion have killed opponents before they could even react at times. Any Starship - even sentient - needs time and target-acquisition to unleash its firepower on a target with precision. Valkorion can suppress his body heat and signature to an extent that Sovereign won't be able to lock on to him and would have to fire towards his position indiscriminately through visual assessment. However, Valkorion can conjure a Protection Bubble to shield himself from powerful explosions and energy weapons. Though I don't know how much protection a Protection Bubble may offer but it is believed to make the Force-user almost invulnerable to a large number of external threats for as long as it lasts. Assuming that a Protection Bubble is not enough, Valkorion also have the option to Teleport to safety.
The above being said, I do not dismiss the possibility of Valkorion being caught in the blast before he can Teleport to safety. It comes down to circumstances. No side is infallible while being tangible. It comes down to understanding your foe. In this case, both sides do not understand it each other much. But Valkorion would be aware of the fact that Starships can pack considerable firepower and can even be mobile superweapons. Therefore, I expect Valkorion to make better decisions.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which would never work because Valkorion doesn't have the fire power to destroy a Reaper's core.
Vaylin destabilized a much larger core in comparison. Exal Kressh also destabilized the core of a space station much larger then Sovereign.
Valkorion can't kill Sovereign, the Reaper Core will be protected by countless Geth and Reaper forces, as is standard for a Reaper compliment. Even if he got there, he would need to be hitting it with more firepower than he has ever been shown to employ... whilst getting attacked by the aforementioned compliment.
Also none of the cores you've mentioned even slightly compare to the magnitude of energy protecting a Reaper core. The one Shepard dismantled wad dormant and that took miniature nuclear blasts or a miniaturised Collector beam weapon.
Also, since when has Valkorion teleported through kinetic shields in the first place?
Reaper weaponry and sensory measures are unknown but that doesn't matter, when Sovereign can level a city sized area and vaporise everything within it.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Vitiate actually does win this, I'm pretty sure he has the raw power to actually just TK the Sovereign out of the air.
That is comical, Sovereign is protected by kinetic barriers that tanked a fleet of dreadnoughts firing at it. Has engines that can easily outmatch any TK Valkorion might muster and second of all Sovereign is a 2KM capital ship that is constructed out of hyperdense steel stronger than anything like durasteel.
Even if Valkoroon somehow managed to TK Sovereign down to the surface, it would simply land on its numerous legs and that would kill Valky too.
Do you believe Vitiate is above Hord? If so, do you agree that Hord took down the Endar Spire-sized ship with his TK? The feat was calculated being equivalent to over hundreds of Kilotons of TNT in terms of Kinetic energy. If we continue using power scaling, Vitiate should scale somewhat from Pre DLOTS Exar Kun who blasted holes through the Massassi temples, temples that tanked full powered turbolaser strikes from a Super Star Destroyer.
Acclamator ships which are nothing to their Super incanrations have yields over 200 Gigatons of TNT, which is equal to over 200 million Kilotons of TNT. All that did to the Massassi temple walls was scorch them IIRC.
Mass Effect ships are MUCH weaker than ships in Star Wars, I really doubt whatever Sovereign is made of is stronger than Durasteel.