Valkorion vs Sovereign

As for Sovereign's cannon's strength, the average Alliance dread, before Thanix was a thing, could produce much larger than nuclear-tier explosions with its main gun. Thanix is obviously a cut above.

It takes four of them with Thanix cannons targeting a reaper at once and with sustained firing to take down a Sovereign class reaper. A single reaper can cut through them like butter. Unless Valkorion can match the output of four dreadnoughts for several minutes and has the durability of unobtainium, he has no chance here. Full stop.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, no he can't. Size isn't a determining factor.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Valkorion can't kill Sovereign, the Reaper Core will be protected by countless Geth and Reaper forces, as is standard for a Reaper compliment. Even if he got there, he would need to be hitting it with more firepower than he has ever been shown to employ... whilst getting attacked by the aforementioned compliment.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Also none of the cores you've mentioned even slightly compare to the magnitude of energy protecting a Reaper core. The one Shepard dismantled wad dormant and that took miniature nuclear blasts or a miniaturised Collector beam weapon.

Apples and Oranges comparison.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Also, since when has Valkorion teleported through kinetic shields in the first place?

The purpose of Teleportation is to bypass all obstacles in the path to reach a destination of desire. It doesn't matters how much a Starship is protected, it doesn't have an answer for arcane powers.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Reaper weaponry and sensory measures are unknown but that doesn't matter, when Sovereign can level a city sized area and vaporise everything within it.

I wonder why somebody didn't just subject Valkorion to firepower of similar magnitude in a span of centuries. There is no proof that these kind of tactics can defeat Valkorion.

As possible it may be for Valkorion to Force grip Sovereign, he's certainly not doing it with any level of speed, so nothing is stopping Sovereign from zapping him in the attempt. And any impact would be shrugged off by its kinetic barriers.

As for Valkorion teleporting inside Sovereign? Why are we assuming that, despite having no knowledge of his opponent, Valkorion would take such intiative, before Sovereign had a chance to turn his powers against him? Ignoring the fact that its baseless to assume Valk can achieve such a feat of teleportation at all. mmm

Seems to me there's nothing Valk can really do in coporeal form to damage Soverign from outside or in in, whereas he's more likely that not going to be obliterated by Sovereigns own powers.

Now assuming that Valkorion manages to immediately recover from his coporeal death (which I'd remind everyone, there exists no hard evidence that he can) I'd still question whether he can undermine Sovereign in spiritual form, even from the inside. I highly doubt Force drain or TP would be effective against a sentient machine, and his dependency against the Outlander in incorporeal form suggest powers such as TK and Force lightning are not possible for him.

So what options does that leave him?

Wiping out some organics is one thing, dismantling a Reaper force that are highly resistant to all kinds of energy is another. There are infact swarms coming to meet Valkorion should he board in the first place.

Matter still has to transport to the place it is teleporting to, it's called wormhole physics genius. Go and get a basic scientific education before your next reply, though why'd you bother with such a losing argument in the first place is beyond me.

Anyway, please continue with your petty insults because it only affirms your lack of any solid rebuttals.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
As possible it may be for Valkorion to Force grip Sovereign, he's certainly not doing it with any level of speed, so nothing is stopping Sovereign from zapping him in the attempt. And any impact would be shrugged off by its kinetic barriers.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
As for Valkorion teleporting inside Sovereign? Why are we assuming that, despite having no knowledge of his opponent, Valkorion would take such intiative, before Sovereign had a chance to turn his powers against him? Ignoring the fact that its baseless to assume Valk can achieve such a feat of teleportation at all. mmm

If Valkorion have the powers to hit Sovereign from a great distance, I see him using them. If not, then I see the possibility of him Teleporting inside the Sovereign and wreck it from within. Valkorion is a master strategist and have lot of experience managing an Empire. I am sure that he can figure this all out.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Seems to me there's nothing Valk can really do in coporeal form to damage Soverign from the inside, whereas he's more likely that not going to be obliterated by Sovereigns own powers.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Now assuming that Valkorion manages to immediately recover from his coporeal death (which I'd remind everyone, there exists no hard evidence that he can)

Did you play KoTFE chapter 1?

FYI: https://i.imgur.com/K3jDQRO.webm

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'd still question whether he can undermine Sovereign in spiritual form, even from the inside.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I highly doubt Force drain or TP would be effective against a sentient machine, and his dependency against the Outlander in incorporeal form suggest powers such as TK and Force lightning are not possible for him.

Did you play KoTFE chapter 12?

FYI: https://i.imgur.com/NBrLtJd.webm

Originally posted by Beniboybling
So what options does that leave him?

10/10 best rebuttal NA.

LeGenD your entire argument is assumption and everytime you enter Valk vs ____ match ups you automatically assume Valkorion will win despite your own complete ignorance regarding his opponent. Baseless assumptions are your bread and butter.

Nothing Valk has done with lightning even approaches the kind of damage output needed to have any effect on a Reaper Core.

But that's skipping over your 'baseless assumption' that Valkorion is f#cking Q and can teleport through shields, whilst being corporeal, despite a complete lack of evidence to support that claim.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Wiping out some organics is one thing, dismantling a Reaper force that are highly resistant to all kinds of energy is another. There are infact swarms coming to meet Valkorion should he board in the first place.

Did you see what that power did to Skytroopers?

Reaper force cannot be resistant to all kinds of energy. Don't post bullshit.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Matter still has to transport to the place it is teleporting to, it's called wormhole physics genius. Go and get a basic scientific education before your next reply, though why'd you bother with such a losing argument in the first place is beyond me.

Anyway, please continue with your petty insults because it only affirms your lack of any solid rebuttals.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion have demonstrated the capability to Teleport from one planet to another in disembodied form. However, corporeal beings can also perform Teleportation. Therefore, I don't see the reason why Valkorion cannot do the same when his understanding of the Force is superior to that of any Jedi and Sith?

In this case Valkorion has to move his physical body, intact, from A to B, without line of sight no less, which is much more difficult and dangerous.

If Valkorion have the powers to hit Sovereign from a great distance, I see him using them. If not, then I see the possibility of him Teleporting inside the Sovereign and wreck it from within. Valkorion is a master strategist and have lot of experience managing an Empire. I am sure that he can figure this all out.

Right.

Did you play KoTFE chapter 1?

Arcann was right there, by your logic he could have dispatched him and dispensed with all the ensuing tomfoolery. Why shouldn't I assume he fell into another slumber like before?

Seriously? 🙄

Right.

Did you play KoTFE chapter 2?

Your assumptions are largely baseless.

Originally posted by AncientPower
10/10 best rebuttal NA.

LeGenD your entire argument is assumption and everytime you enter Valk vs ____ match ups you automatically assume Valkorion will win despite your own complete ignorance regarding his opponent. Baseless assumptions are your bread and butter.

And no! I don't favor Valkorion in a debate by default in every hypothetical contest. However, I will address idiotic assumptions whenever I will come across them.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Nothing Valk has done with lightning even approaches the kind of damage output needed to have any effect on a Reaper Core.

But that's skipping over your 'baseless assumption' that Valkorion is f#cking Q and can teleport through shields, whilst being corporeal, despite a complete lack of evidence to support that claim.

This is an assumption on your part.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
FYI: https://i.imgur.com/7yF8ylj.webm

Did you see what that power did to Skytroopers?

Reaper force cannot be resistant to all kinds of energy. Don't post bullshit.

I am sure that Force powers obey the laws of physics. 🙄

If you think Skytroopers compare to Reaper forces you're utterly delusional.

>Reaper forces are designed to withstand pretty much all kinds of potential damage by mixing genetics.
>'bullshit'

I am sure that teleportation as explained in Legacy of the Force works identically to generic teleportation. On that matter, how is Valkorion going to know where to teleport to in the first place given the sheer danger in doing so?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your 'entire' argument is assumption.

And no! I don't favor Valkorion in a debate by default in every hypothetical contest. However, I will address idiotic assumptions whenever I will come across them.

Right.

This is an assumption on your part.

I've already explained what kind of heavy firepower is required to destroy a Reaper Core and Valk's lightning isn't even close.

It also occurs to me that though a machine, Sovereign remains sentient, if Valkorion manages to assault his core he's not just going to sit and let it happen. More likely he'd divert the energy powering his external defenses to its own, making it theoretically just as impenetrable as its outer barriers, and certainly beyond Valkorion's abilities to break through.

Given that the one Shepard had destabilised was dormant for 37,000,000 years then I tend to agree.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because coporeal and incoporeal beings are different? Of course being essentially formless is going to make you much more able to traverse great distances.

In this case Valkorion has to move his physical body, intact, from A to B, without line of sight no less, which is much more difficult and dangerous.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Assuming it possible for him, unless he's capable of withstanding an exchange with Sovereign it ain't happening.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes, and do you recall that it was only after 5 years after latching on to the Outlander that he remanifested? What proof is there he could have done so sooner, and if he could, why didn't he?

Chapter 12 proves that the Outlander was just a vessel that could be discarded by Valkorion at will.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Arcann was right there, by your logic he could have dispatched him and dispensed with all the ensuing tomfoolery. Why shouldn't I assume he fell into another slumber like before?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why wouldn't I when you've failed to make a valid case?Are you going to raise some proof? Because I can't be bothered to decipher your meaning. And that answers my question how? I assume you can formulate some kind of response. 😂

Watch chapter 12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUV80skCOA

I'm beginning to remember some reason why boarding an active Reaper is suicidal, oh that's right, a large group of human diplomats boarded Harbinger and were instantaneously indoctrinated by his voice.

Originally posted by AncientPower
If you think Skytroopers compare to Reaper forces you're utterly delusional.

>Reaper forces are designed to withstand pretty much all kinds of potential damage by mixing genetics.
>'bullshit'

Originally posted by AncientPower
I am sure that teleportation as explained in Legacy of the Force works identically to generic teleportation.

Do you have a scientific explanation of Force Lightning? I suppose that you assume it to be electricity. 😂

Originally posted by AncientPower
On that matter, how is Valkorion going to know where to teleport to in the first place given the sheer danger in doing so?

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'm beginning to remember some reason why boarding an active Reaper is suicidal, oh that's right, a large group of human diplomats boarder Harbinger and were instantaneously indoctrinated by his voice.

Valkorion is defenseless like human diplomats. Your brain is not functioning at the moment.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What you don't understand is that Valkorion can shed his mortal coil at will and continue to affect the external environment. However, it doesn't stops here; Valkorion can acquire or shed corporeal vessels ad-infinitum. He is like Abeloth in this aspect. He doesn't needs corporeal vessels to function and affect external environment. I am sorry if Palpatine did not became as powerful. But you cannot just impose silly restrictions upon Valkorion without understanding his very nature.

Originally posted by Selenial

Its quite simple. Yoda also couldn't beat Obi Wan because he turns into a force ghost. Kenobi wins every time 👆

Vitiate couldn't destroy IG-88 because IG-88 has a backup in another system. IG-88 wins every time 👆

How aren't you getting this.

^^^

That is a pathetic argument and I have already addressed it the relevant thread.