In no specific order:
- Luke Skywalker
- Darth Caedus
- Palpatine
- Yoda
- Tulak Hord
- Obi-Wan Kenobi
- Hero of Tython
- Emperor's Wrath II
- Exar Kun
- Mace Windu
Honorable mentions:
- Revan
- Arcann
- Anakin Skywalker
- The Emperor's Wrath
- Count Dooku
- Darth Marr
- Meetra Surik
- Lord Kas'im
- Darth Bane
- Darth Nyriss
Excluding the speculative prowess of the ancient Sith:
#1 Luke Skywalker
#2 Master Yoda
#3 Darth Sidious
#4 Darth Plagueis
#5 Darth Tenebrous
#6/7 Darth Caedus
#6/7 Darth Krayt
#8 Exar Kun
#9/10 Darth Vader
#9/10 Anakin Skywalker
Honourable Mentions: Revan, Count Dooku, Mace Windu, Jaina Solo, Ulic-Qel Droma & Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Because Kun, Vader and Skywalker are better than him. 🙂
Why Krayt but not Revan?
Why no to the ancient Sith but yet Tenebrous?Based on Banite powerscaling, and all things indicating Tenebrous > Plagueis as of his duel with Venamis and perhaps beyond.
Why Vader above Skywaker?Edited to be interchangeable, but all Skywalker has on him is greater speed and versatility, which is not enough imo.
I asked Krayt, not them. I don't see Krayt's accomplishments (the four guards and besting Skywalker with usage of the Force) more impressive than Revan's accomplishments (literal armies and besting Star Forge Malak with Force abilities hindered). Plus, battle precognotion.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Edited to be interchangeable, but all Skywalker has on him is greater speed and versatility, which is not enough imo.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66I'm not basing Krayt's superiority over those accomplishments, rather being able to hold his own against post-RotS Kenobi before building on those talents through over a century of training and combat experience. I see nothing that suggests Revan possesses appreciable dueling talent to what that would give.
I asked Krayt, not them. I don't see Krayt's accomplishments (the four guards and besting Skywalker with usage of the Force) more impressive than Revan's accomplishments (literal armies and besting Star Forge Malak with Force abilities hindered). Plus, battle precognotion.
Krayt also strikes me as in general the more powerful Force user, so I'd give him a Force augmentative and yes precognitive advantage as well.
I don't see it. To me personally, the reason why Skywalker is so good is the fact all of his abilities, powers, and strengths are rooted in a virtually unlimited pool of power. With Vader, that's not remotely the case, as Lucas as stated time and time again. Plus, Skywalker has shown far greater combat feats than Vader, utterly dominating the likes of Drallig and Dooku. Vader's best is stalemating his apprentice and besting ANH Kenobi.And yet in both Canon & Legends Vader believes himself more powerful than ever, which is reflected by his far advanced telekinetic prowess. And I'm more impressed by him moving in tandem with Darth Sidious in LotS, and handily advantaging himself over Starkiller in TFU II than dominating a tired and stylistically disadvantaged Dooku, and a featless Drallig.
His performance against Kenobi wasn't as impressive as you're making it out to be. His two blows against Kenobi (a kick and a punch) were done early in the fight before Kenobi got himself situation in a defensive position. The text even made note that Kenobi then deflected everything Hett had to offer, and would have presumably done so with ease if not for the environment they were fighting in. When Kenobi realized he was fighting for Luke, he quickly ended the fight, and that was that. I don't see how briefly fighting Yuuzhan Vong warriors, training under a Sith sorcerer on Korriban, and fighting unknown opponents on unknown worlds translates to anything that then puts him beyond Revan.
And Revan's battle precognotion isn't Force-based. It's derived from his mastery over the Echani arts and reinforced by his dominance in the fields of psychological and conventional warfare. Add that onto his Force-based precognotion, which should be on parity with Krayt, and he's the obvious superior in that department.
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Vader's opinion is blatantly biased and irrelevant. Vader's strongest relevant telekinetic showing is Force pushing Marek and Tano, which isn't a drastic difference from Skywalker pushing Dooku in the RotS comic. Plus, I recall in LotS that Palpatine was reserving his power. Also, you label Drallig as featless, but what has Marek ever shown other than being humiliated by Ti? And Dooku got tired because of Skywalker's domination of him. That was the entire point.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Tbh Revan's battle precog has only been credited to him in a strategic sense. There's no evidence for him using it on a personal combat level.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Echani use it for primarily single combat. The fact Revan can use it for entire battles shows how good Revan is at it, not that he's limited to just large-scale engagements. That was the whole point.
Brianna never actually says that Revan used battle precog, just that he was able to predict the path of wars which was the highest state the Echani tried to obtain. He could have just done this through, you know, being a genius or regular visions of the future. Also, how would Brianna possibly know if Revan could use battle precog, lmao. He isn't even described as doing anything regular battle precog does, appearing to predict wars (theres no way she could know he even did that tbh) doesn't prove anything.
MY PERSONAL LIST UNFORTUNATELY EXCLUDING ANCIENTS AND TENEBROUS:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Grandmaster Yoda
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Anakin Skywalker
6. Darth Caedus
7. Exar Kun
8. Mace Windu
9. Darth Krayt
10. Darth Vader
Honorable mentions: Arcann, Ulic Qel Droma, Jaina Solo, The Outlander, (who will certainly end up on the list as his power grows,) Bane, Revan, etc.