Top ten duelists: 2016 edition

Started by DarthAnt667 pages

It seems clear the Echani knew Revan was using their tactics and abilities against them, just like the Mandalorians before them.

They're just assuming things based on their own cultural perceptions. As I said at the beginning, there's no indication at all that he was using battle precognition and the implication is very weak.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What? No. That's retarded. The fact he made a distinction means precognition and tactical ability isn't synonymous, which we already knew. Force-precognition cannot be used in the ways Brianna is explaining. When Brianna says "such a skill," she's referring to the Echani arts, for she's explaining to the Exile how it works. She's not explaining general precognition and saying Revan could also do it due to the Force. That wouldn't make any sense, since then he wouldn't have been capable of accomplishing the skill she cited, given it requires calculating and gauging heart beats, fighting styles, combat moves, etc, which Force-based precognition doesn't do. Since you're retarded though, I emailed Avellone. I bet every existing respect thread I have, including the Revan respect thread, that he's referring to a non-Force based form of precognition similar, if not identical, to the Echani's. Still respond to this though, since I want you to actually try to argue otherwise until Avellone brings down the hammer so I'm more satisfied with you enduring another defeat.
Do you do paragraphs? Lol.

Anyway if you are going to email Avellone, I'll await his response.

Now, as for the remainder of your points.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
His performance against Kenobi wasn't as impressive as you're making it out to be. His two blows against Kenobi (a kick and a punch) were done early in the fight before Kenobi got himself situation in a defensive position. The text even made note that Kenobi then deflected everything Hett had to offer, and would have presumably done so with ease if not for the environment they were fighting in. When Kenobi realized he was fighting for Luke, he quickly ended the fight, and that was that.
It's impressive enough to substantiate him as a master duelist, nor do I see what was stopping Kenobi from situating himself from the get go. Incompetence? Yeah don't think so. And that Kenobi blocked all his attacks is to state the obvious, considering he didn't die, Hett however nonetheless managed to expose and exploit lapses in his defense, which despite the enviroment remains quite impressive considering Kenobi's exceptional credentials as a Soresu duelist. As for Kenobi's swift victory at the end, a clever application of the Force with previously absent lethal intent is hardly relevant to his saber defense.
I don't see how briefly fighting Yuuzhan Vong warriors, training under a Sith sorcerer on Korriban, and fighting unknown opponents on unknown worlds translates to anything that then puts him beyond Revan.
Considering that as far as saber mastery goes he's already approaching what we can assume of Revan's talents as Hett, 100 years of combat experience against thousands of opponents + extensive training, should be enough to advance Krayt's skill with the blade beyond him.
Vader's opinion is blatantly biased and irrelevant. Vader's strongest relevant telekinetic showing is Force pushing Marek and Tano, which isn't a drastic difference from Skywalker pushing Dooku in the RotS comic.
Biased and irrelevant? Substantiate that with... anything lol. If anyone has the greatest grasp over Vader's capabilities it is the man himself. 😬

As for his telekinetic abilities, Force gripping, not pushing Marek > shoving Dooku.

Plus, I recall in LotS that Palpatine was reserving his power. Also, you label Drallig as featless, but what has Marek ever shown other than being humiliated by Ti?
He is said to have shown little of his power, which implies he showed some. And the point at which Vader is described as moving in tandem with Darth Sidious is within the contexts of the greatest threat they faced all day - the Lylek nest, and the most likely candidate for when Sidious brought out the big guns.

Regardless, even when holding back the power Palpatine displays in the novel far exceeds anything Dooku has demonstrated, let along Drallig.

As for Marek being humiliated by Ti, he wasn't so let's start there. Namely at defeating one of the greatest PT swordsmasters amped by a nexus and with a planet at her command, before his peak. 👆

And Dooku got tired because of Skywalker's domination of him. That was the entire point.
Right, before Skywalker dominated him in 15 seconds. My point is that Dooku wasn't at his best going into that fight.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Beni can expect a reply from me when I'm at a computer btw, very interested in proving Krayt's beastliness.
Very good. 🙂

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Since you're retarded though, I emailed Avellone. I bet every existing respect thread I have, including the Revan respect thread, that he's referring to a non-Force based form of precognition similar, if not identical, to the Echani's. Still respond to this though, since I want you to actually try to argue otherwise until Avellone brings down the hammer so I'm more satisfied with you enduring another defeat.

😆

Ant is very... passionate when it comes to championing Revanchist-pride. It's quite the sight to behold.

Heck I may as well respond to this anyway, if only to debunk the proof you currently possess.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What? No. That's retarded. The fact he made a distinction means precognition and tactical ability isn't synonymous, which we already knew.
Which does nothing to diminish my point, but only reinforces it. 😬
Force-precognition cannot be used in the ways Brianna is explaining. When Brianna says "such a skill," she's referring to the Echani arts, for she's explaining to the Exile how it works. She's not explaining general precognition and saying Revan could also do it due to the Force. That wouldn't make any sense, since then he wouldn't have been capable of accomplishing the skill she cited, given it requires calculating and gauging heart beats, fighting styles, combat moves, etc, which Force-based precognition doesn't do.
Which all amounts to being able to predict what your opponent is going to do next, which is what Force precognition does. Again different methods to achieve the same ends, the ****ing point being made lmao.
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
😆

Ant is very... passionate when it comes to championing Revanchist-pride. It's quite the sight to behold.

Oh yes it can be quite amusing. Gets a little stale after a while though. 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Gets a little stale after a while though. 🙂

👆 When I constant'y kick your ass on both here and SWTORF, my shoe gets tired after a while.

Anyway, will respond in a couple hours. Working on an X2 RT and then going to go tan.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
👆 When I constant'y kick your ass on both here and SWTORF, my shoe gets tired after a while.
*constantly

And as far as your victories over myself goes, correcting typos is all I can recall you ever managing. 🙂

Sadly, I have yet to correct the typo that is your life. 👆

Placing Tenebrous on this list is AIDS.

Beni's logic is even moreso AIDS.

I'm never going to be the same again, after reading this thread. Not sure if Beni's suggestion is worse than Ant saying Krayt = Revan in sabers tho.

Originally posted by MythLord
1. Luke

6. Exar/Bane/Zannah 🙂 🙂 🙂

This is not including beings that are vague and hard to place like Hord, Tenebrous, Yaddle and the likes.

😆

Originally posted by Selenial
Placing Tenebrous on this list is AIDS.

Was also wondering about this, tbh.

Originally posted by Selenial
Beni's logic is even moreso AIDS.

Glad mom agrees. 👆

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sadly, I have yet to correct the typo that is your life. 👆
Typo? Only in retarded friend.
Originally posted by Selenial
I'm never going to be the same again, after reading this thread.
Try removing Krayt's cock from your mouth, you might feel better. 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Typo? Only in retarded friend.

Another typo? mmm

No just a lack of comprehension on your part.

id like to know where you guys are getting the info on guys like Plaguies and Tenebrous being exceptional swordsmen because I don't recall the novel mentioning anything in depth about any of that; who would they have fought that could give them a challenge? the Sith weren't know to the Jedi til Sidious' time...

Conjecture.

Logic, reason, facts. 🙂