Top ten duelists: 2016 edition

Originally posted by The Ellimist
How so?

DE Sidious is stated to have grown in power since RotJ, who has most probably grown in power from RotS given his intense study and draining of Byss. Plus Wankatine is in his youthful prime.

He grew in power but also decided dueling was stupid Jedi stuff and that his Force abilities would trash anybody regardless. In Lords of the Sith he did nothing dueling wise to say he'd improved there at all. DE Sidious is much more youthful indeed, but suffers the rather great distraction of having his body dying all the time.

It still doesn't tell me he's beating Yoda when the exact opposite was happening in their duel.

I don't think rust is going to outweigh his pretty substantial increase in raw power. It would be unreasonable to just assert that he never bothered to even try to maintain his saber skills just because he said something about lightsabers were BS in Dark Empire (and wasn't that after he had lost? Kek). Plagueis thought the same thing and he was still a beast in it.

Did Jaina and Jacen fight slayers outside of TUF?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Amped DE Luke and Sidious were fighting faster than Leia could perceive, and yeah, I can totally see that, given that before his amp he's already implied to be more powerful than Vader in the Force, and is able to take down AT-ATs and impress Sidious - and this is six years after RotJ, during which he was already his equal as a duelist. Now extrapolate his presumably increasing saber skill over six years on top of massively increasing power in the Force, and it's not too difficult to believe that he could demolish the B-team. Sidious certainly took him more seriously than them.

In either case, amped! DE Luke's primary feat is fighting Sidious, so it's kind of circular to scale Sidious off of him. The more solid argument is that DE Sidious is explicitly more powerful than RotJ Sidious, who has studied the Force for two decades and drained the energies of Byss, alongside incredibly impressive feats, and then Wankatine gets put into his physical prime - yeah, he's probably above RotS Sidious as a duelist.

Yes and Darth Sidious was moving in and out of existence when fighting Windu according to the vastly superior perceptions of Anakin Skywalker. Yet Yoda was surpassing that shit and outperformed Mace Windu in a far less favorable environment. All of which, in canon, was taking place in the proximity of a Sith shrine below the Jedi temple.

Yes and that's all great, but Yoda was out of his prime and Sidious improved in power, not skill, which sure lends him greater augmentation. But Yoda was straight up out-fencing Sidious, physically they were an obvious match.

No

Jaina did cut her way through an army of Vong soldiers alongside Mara Though and. Jacen was remarked by the Slayers as being the !2nd strongest duelist in the Slayer fight apart from Luke. Even as of TUF the twins are clearly above the other NJO Jedi masters barring Luke himself

Anyway barring the tier 1s It would probably be: Darth Krayt, Exar Kun, and the rest being Jaina, Arcann, Galen/Starkiller, Ulic, and Cade who are all pretty close on their own way with it just being preference. Ventress, Malgus, Leneer, Savage, Mara Jade, Wyyrlok are all skilled but somewhat inferior to them- and then you get the B team types after them