Originally posted by relentless1
id like to know where you guys are getting the info on guys like Plaguies and Tenebrous being exceptional swordsmen because I don't recall the novel mentioning anything in depth about any of that; who would they have fought that could give them a challenge? the Sith weren't know to the Jedi til Sidious' time...
See my edit.
Yoda was winning the duel against ROTS Sidious but losing the Force exchange, then the Emperor went on vacation and decides lightsabers were stupid until DE Sidious who I don't see any particular reason to above his Revenge of the Sith incarnation. Especially when Yoda > Amped DE Luke is clear and obvious.
Jaina was a somewhat match for Darth Caedus in his prime who even mentally admits that her technique is flawless in their duel. Then she went on to improve so much that she was stated to be the combat match of anybody in the Jedi Order.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Can you see DE Luke moving faster than the B team without actually, y'know, moving? Amped DE Luke is great, by that point he'd be a clear superior to Darth Vader, which is great and all, but that isn't Yoda tier.
Amped DE Luke and Sidious were fighting faster than Leia could perceive, and yeah, I can totally see that, given that before his amp he's already implied to be more powerful than Vader in the Force, and is able to take down AT-ATs and impress Sidious - and this is six years after RotJ, during which he was already his equal as a duelist. Now extrapolate his presumably increasing saber skill over six years on top of massively increasing power in the Force, and it's not too difficult to believe that he could demolish the B-team. Sidious certainly took him more seriously than them.
In either case, amped! DE Luke's primary feat is fighting Sidious, so it's kind of circular to scale Sidious off of him. The more solid argument is that DE Sidious is explicitly more powerful than RotJ Sidious, who has studied the Force for two decades and drained the energies of Byss, alongside incredibly impressive feats, and then Wankatine gets put into his physical prime - yeah, he's probably above RotS Sidious as a duelist.