And as I asked before, if Vader is more powerful than Kun, why is his ability to TK trainees substantially inferior to his own - even when Kun is only at fraction of his power? https://youtu.be/0UVJSJOiLk4?t=3m53s
Come on now, I've indulged the Sedriss wank, tell me why Vader can't dominate the lowliest of fodder - while apparently sitting in a swirling nexus showing literal visible stripes of energy?
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Wrong, The Sedriss comparison doesn't stand when you realise Kun wasn't killed or even visibly harmed. The only comparison you can make between them was that Sedriss died where Kun did not.
Kun wasn't visibly harmed? I assume that is why he shaked while struggling to get up?
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5453105-knocks+down+exar+kun+2.jpg
Also, the attack Ood unleashed upon Exar was far less than what he unleashed upon Sedriss. Observe:
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5453104-knocks+down+exar+kun+1.jpg
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5453161-ood+blows+up+sedriss.jpg
Also, Exar couldn't even break through the barrier Ood threw up:
"Ood was defeated in combat, but had one last trick Kun had not anticipated. Drawing on the Living Force, Ood literally grew roots and burrowed into the ground. He formed an impenetrable barrier of the Force that even Exar Kun could not cross."
-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #119
Whereas Sedriss annihilated him:
"When Sedriss called down electricity from the atmosphere, Ood drew up power from Ossus' core. The two combatants annihilated each other.
-- The New Essential Guide to Characters
All of this is without taking into account Sedriss was restrained by Ood when he unleashed his attack, thus he couldn't get knocked back by it's kinetic force like Exar, and it blasted him over. Assuming he was in the same position as Kun, and not right in the heart of the attack and restrained, he would've lived and perhaps succeeding in killing Bnar himself.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Kun not getting through via a lightsaber attack isn't exactly the same.And I'm pretty sure Ood wasn't even keeping up the Barrier when he annihilated Sedriss?
It doesn't say specifically if it is through Force power or lightsaber, so I'm playing Occams Razor and assuming both.
And why would Ood not try and shield himself, if he notes that Sedriss is trying to kill him?
Originally posted by ZiggystardustI'd ask for citations but I know you live in your own reality.
every time you've had this argument
It absolutely does, it shows us that he still compares people to his daddy, remembering the focal point of Dark Energy that manifested in front of him in his early days. And by the way, these literally aren't spirits of people who are laughing at him, Palaptine and Kun are both long gone - so these are memories. I could just argue that people who Luke did eventually manage to vanquish - with help - shouldn't be laughing at him either. And it's a comparison that means Kun is closer to Sidious than he is Vader, as he was intended to be.Compare people to Vader's power, yes, not be haunted by his memory. Did Luke help vanquish Sheev and Kun? Yes he did. But in body, not spirit, the idea of Kun and Palpatine persist. On the other hand by redeeming Anakin to the light he well and truly closed the book on Darth Vader. Naturally we should also look at the contexts:
Luke looked out at the incoming pirates, a sudden tightening sensation in his stomach. There were many options, of course. He could reach out with the Force and damage the ships' control surfaces, crippling them. He might even be able to wrench off whole hull plates or deform the weapons emplacements, tearing them apart with the Force alone. Or he could simply reach inside to the crews' minds, turning them into helpless observers or even forcing them to surrender. For a Jedi Master with the Force as his ally, there were no limits. No limits at all.In which look is being taunted by the spectres of Kun and Palpatine after considering a destructive and dark sided abuse of his power. Again in a respect that it does not make sense for a man he has redeemed to the light, and a man he remembers as such, to make an appearance.And then, abruptly, he stiffened, his breath seeming to freeze in his throat. There in front of him, starkly visible against the blackness of space, he could see the faint images of Emperor Palpatine and Exar Kun, two of the greatest focal points of the dark side he'd ever had to face. They were standing there before him, gazing back at him.
And laughing.
"Luke?"
Han's voice made him start, and as he did so, the images vanished. But the icy horror stayed behind. Something he wasn't supposed to do...
Wrong, The Sedriss comparison doesn't stand when you realise Kun wasn't killed or even visibly harmed. The only comparison you can make between them was that Sedriss died where Kun did not.You're deflecting from the point. Bnar did not unleash that kind of energy against Kun so the fact he was not killed is a moot point (though the fact that he failed to emerge unscathed is only an embarrassment), on the other hand Sedriss was more of a threat to Bnar than Kun.
Resize those images. Struggling to get up, lol. Show me the scan where Kun is at all injured? The massassi warriors tending him as part of a duty to their master not with standing. Kun was in a fine condition to go outside and simply ragdoll Sylvar directly after that event. And if we're judging people who get put on their asses continually, then observe:
Also, Exar couldn't even break through the barrier Ood threw up:
Nor did Sedriss, neither could a supernova.
Whereas Sedriss annihilated him
Which gets retconned and disproven by a more objective source. Allow me to enlighten you:
"Using his force powers, Ood destroyed himself and Sedriss forever." - Power of the Jedi pg. 136.
So the only comparison you can make between Kun and Sedriss was that Bnar killed - apparently atomized - Sedriss' body where he couldn't even put a scratch on Kun, or that he didn't try to, because he knew he couldn't, despite having the chance to end the war there and then. For you to have a comparison that stands between Kun and Sedriss, you need to show me Bnar killing Exar... and seen as you can't do that, then there is no comparison to made between them. Except for this:
There in front of him, starkly visible against the blackness of space, he could see the faint images of Emperor Palpatine and Exar Kun, two of the greatest focal points of the dark side he’d ever had to face. They were standing there before him, gazing back at him. And laughing.
And the fact that De Luke could dominate Sedriss while Kun could dominate Luke using powers that weren't close to his prime. It's really a no brainer. Now that this ridiculous attempt to lowball is out the way, why can't you answer my question.
If Vader is more powerful than Kun, why is his ability to TK trainees substantially inferior to his own - even when Kun is only at fraction of his power? https://youtu.be/0UVJSJOiLk4?t=3m53s
Originally posted by SunRazer
You see him trying to attack with the lightsaber 😬 Occam's Razor would be to assume that it's with the lightsaber.Well, he was trying to destroy Sedriss as well. It doesn't make sense that he was channeling both at once.
Not really. They clash blades once, a Massassi jumps on Ood, then Kun is just sorta standing there while Bnar admits combat isn't his main skill:
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5453142-tanks+hit+from+massassi+2.jpg
Also, a barrier is used mostly for deflecting Force attacks. And the Fact File quote says "an impenetrable barrier of the Force even Exar Kun could not cross". Which means, Kun cannot cross it. I assume if he can break it with the Force, he could cross it.
I'm pretty sure a Force user can summon a Barrier and attack with TK at the same time.
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
And as I asked before, if Vader is more powerful than Kun, why is his ability to TK trainees substantially inferior to his own - even when Kun is only at fraction of his power? https://youtu.be/0UVJSJOiLk4?t=3m53sCome on now, I've indulged the Sedriss wank, tell me why Vader can't dominate the lowliest of fodder - while apparently sitting in a swirling nexus showing literal visible stripes of energy?
I'm guessing you don't watch Rebels.
Originally posted by SunRazerAre you referring to the moment where Kun is flying through the air, and not attacking Ood at all? Or are you referring to the part before Ood had raised his barrier?
His lightsaber seems like it's about to make contact with Ood, and it's held in front of his body. Might just be modelling for the next Miss Dark Lord contest, though.
