Dallas Police Ambushed by Snipers

Originally posted by Lestov16
Maybe if people like Conservative messiah Ronald Reagan didn't purposely flood ghettos with crack cocaine as part of Iran Contra, black neighborhoods wouldn't be as bad as they are.

Maybe if people like Daryl Gates didn't purposely have officers murder black men and plant crack on them, blacks would trust police.

Maybe if the cops didn't detain the man who posted the Sterling shooting as harassment/ revenge, people wouldn't view them as a club of bullies.
http://thesource.com/2016/07/10/man-who-posted-alton-sterling-shooting-video-has-been-arrested-by-police/
That's right. The cops tracked down the poster of the Sterling video, arrested him because "he looked like a battery suspect" and then held him in the precinct of unpaid parking tickets (the robbery was never mentioned after the arrest).

But there's the fact that Ferguson PD purposely targeted blacks to fill quotas and profit from court fees.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/03/ferguson-as-a-criminal-conspiracy-against-its-black-residents-michael-brown-department-of-justice-report/386887/
Note these aren't violent people being persecuted. They weren't gangbangers. They were regular citizens being targeted for minor vehicular crimes.

Is there a black gang violence problem, yes. But we're working on that. You ask why BLM doesn't cover black on black violence, but that just means you never bothered to look up groups like OGs Against Violence, that are dedicated to stopping gang violence.

As the Ferguson article shows, even non violent blacks are persecuted by police, so it's not just a matter of "if blacks calm down the cops won't hurt them". Regardless of black on black crime, that doesn't negate the fact that there is a clear police corruption problem as well.

Originally posted by Surtur
The data he posted caused my comment about data overall yes.

But you were too stupid to realize that the data posted didn't actually prove the point (that the data doesn't make the cops look bad, it makes blacks look bad) you were trying to make?

You toss around words like retard and then just come off as one yourself.

Is "no u" all you can come up with you stupid ass-beaming child molester?

I never said he deserved to be murdered.

Of course not. You don't have the balls to do that.

What I said was people act like he was a saint, like he was innocent, like he wasn't a criminal. He was, with a long rap sheet. This was not a man walking down the street just minding his own business.

Relevance?

We're only apparently allowed to talk about one aspect, the cop aspect. The cops are the only people that have to change. That is usually the message that comes across when this shit happens. A message that is quite silly.

It's not silly when Sterling's criminal record has literally zero relevance on whether or not he should have been executed by the police you ****ing moron lol.

Why should we talk about Sterling's criminal record when it doesn't matter?

Sterling not being a perfect angel means nothing, so why bring it up except to in some way lessen the importance of his execution?

Now, if you had some evidence that he was actually posing an immediate threat to police you'd have an argument. But why should anyone give a single shit about his lengthy criminal record when discussing his death?

Do people flat out say what you just said? No not really, but there is an overall attitude. For instance:

This person would never say this in a thread about a cop killing a black guy, but it will get said in a thread about a black guy killing cops.

I ask you for someone saying that blacks are blameless in the problems within black inner city neighborhoods, and you give me someone implicitly believing that the violent thuggery of the US police force has naturally resulted in violence towards them.

They're not the same thing.

We scream and cry and protest over these shootings and some 95% of the time it seems it happens to criminals resisting arrest. Again before you jump on that: it doesn't mean that warrants automatic execution. I'm essentially saying there is more to this than just "cops are racist".

I'd agree that there might be more to it than cops being racist, I can't assume to know the thoughts and motives of these police officers.

Also, neither of the two most recent killings seem to fit that description, despite Sterling having a criminal record, so why even bring up the criminal record at all?

Perhaps you know that, but the country/media don't really portray it in such a way. It's portrayed as if cops just get up to do them some black people hunting every morning. That is why I said data is the biggest threat, the data that shows off most of these problems are not caused by cops or racism.

No, I think cops being quick to use violent force when it isn't necessary is a problem that can only be caused by cops. And according to Dave's data, there apparently is a strong bias toward using force against black suspects, even ones who are compliant.

So yeah, the data is the biggest threat, to your own argument.

Call them unpleasant facts or inconvenient truths or whatever you wish, but there is this habit in this country of just ignoring these things. Essentially in this situations it is almost taboo to suggest anyone but the cop did anything wrong. Guy was a criminal? Meh, the original call to the cops was because he was apparently waving a gun in someone's face? Meh. The lesson isn't don't be a criminal or wave guns around in peoples faces since you might get the cops called on you. The lesson is that cops hate black people. The protests are always "why do you kill us so much" and never "why do we commit so much murder and crime?" or "could there be any other reason for this other than racism?".

Okay first of all, cops are held to higher standards than criminals, and should be.

Second of all, once more, the victim being a criminal or not has literally no bearing on the shooting itself. Only the victim's actions during the shooting proper.

Do you understand that? Are you capable of comprehending?

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
So not only did you ignore my link in favor of continuing your bias, but are now somehow blaming Reagan for the creation of ghettos. I'm speechless.

Did you read any of the articles in my post?

Yes i did, but youre ignoring one aspect in favor of your agenda and it comes off looking weak. There are some bad apples in the police department, an incredibly small minority, just like you have a small group of blm that are disgusting trash. Remind me why blm is more important than the police?

Because blacks will continue to join illegal gangs as long as they don't trust the legal system because they believe it is out to get them, which, as I showed with links, it is.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because blacks will continue to join illegal gangs as long as they don't trust the legal system because they believe it is out to get them, which, as I showed with links, it is.

The shooter wasn't a member of BLM. He explicitly stated he had no allegiance IIRC. Black people were hit during the shooting too.

Originally posted by Surtur
But are you not too stupid to realize I never said it meant it was justified? You see merely pointing out he wasn't a saint, as is the automatic assumption for some when a cop kills a black guy, does not mean I said it was justified.

Like I said, people act like the cops just randomly target a dude minding his own business and abiding by the law. That doesn't mean I said it was right, it means I'm talking about a false narrative that gets presented to us by the media.

Also, you brought it up here, on the forum, where to my knowledge no one said he was some saint. For what purpose? To vent? This isn't your blog.

The shooter wanted to kill white people and was called a martyr by quite a number of blm members. Your double standards are becoming obvious.

Just like Dylan Roof for all his white supremacist fans

Originally posted by Lestov16
Just like Dylan Roof for all his white supremacist fans

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/white-texan-racists-scream-video/

Racism still exists. Stop denying it

Originally posted by Lestov16
http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/white-texan-racists-scream-video/

Racism still exists. Stop denying it

History made in Dallas, unprecedented proof in the history of USA. A black racist that admitted hated white people. Now folks have to check their liberal ideology that only white folks can be racist. A bad time for liberals.

Miss Alabama suspended for from her job.

“I don’t feel sad for the officers that lost their lives, and I know that’s not really my heart"

Kalyn Chapman James, crowned the first black Miss Alabama in 1993, was placed on administrative leave from her job at a local Miami television station after she called the man who fatally shot five police officers in Dallas last week a “martyr.”

http://time.com/4403274/miss-alabama-kalyn-chapman-james-dallas-shooter-martyr/

Originally posted by NemeBro
I did because he's too stupid to realize that any prior criminal record in this case Sterling had is frankly irrelevant to the subject of whether or not his shooting was justified or not.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Maybe if people like Conservative messiah Ronald Reagan didn't purposely flood ghettos with crack cocaine as part of Iran Contra, black neighborhoods wouldn't be as bad as they are.

Okay but you realize the mere presence of drugs doesn't actually force one to become a drug dealer or a drug user. It's almost like you're saying they just plain couldn't help themselves..that there was some crack that needed selling and dag nabbit they were gonna sell that crack.

Maybe if people like Daryl Gates didn't purposely have officers murder black men and plant crack on them, blacks would trust police.

Okay and maybe if blacks weren't responsible for so much crime cops wouldn't be so trigger happy? You see this kind of works both ways, but some people are afraid to put forth that narrative for fear of being called racist.

Maybe if the cops didn't detain the man who posted the Sterling shooting as harassment/ revenge, people wouldn't view them as a club of bullies.
http://thesource.com/2016/07/10/man-who-posted-alton-sterling-shooting-video-has-been-arrested-by-police/
That's right. The cops tracked down the poster of the Sterling video, arrested him because "he looked like a battery suspect" and then held him in the precinct of unpaid parking tickets (the robbery was never mentioned after the arrest).

Quick question: if Anton Sterling was a law abiding citizen would he be alive? Would there of been anything to film? It's always the logic of "maybe if the cops didn't do this or that". What about the criminals? This one guy had a rap sheet 46 pages long lol. Don't you think that has anything to do with why he is dead? That he lived a life of crime? The cops were called because he was apparently waving a gun in some dudes face. He wasn't some meek guy just selling CD's who was loving and caring.

Like I've seen saying, I'm not saying just that fact means you deserve to die, I'm saying people need to stop ignoring the correlation here.

But there's the fact that Ferguson PD purposely targeted blacks to fill quotas and profit from court fees.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/03/ferguson-as-a-criminal-conspiracy-against-its-black-residents-michael-brown-department-of-justice-report/386887/
Note these aren't violent people being persecuted. They weren't gangbangers. They were regular citizens being targeted for minor vehicular crimes.

Nobody said the cops don't have to change the way they do things. What is once again being said is the cops are not the only ones who need to change and that the cops are not doing the majority of the harm to the black community. It is the community itself.

Is there a black gang violence problem, yes. But we're working on that. You ask why BLM doesn't cover black on black violence, but that just means you never bothered to look up groups like OGs Against Violence, that are dedicated to stopping gang violence.

I'm sorry but this is a cop out and you know it. The most well known group today in this country is BLM. Why not use your notoriety to go after the greatest harm to the black community? Which is the black on black violence. Use your clout to target the real issues. That is like if the FBI spent their time trying to catch purse snatchers.

As the Ferguson article shows, even non violent blacks are persecuted by police, so it's not just a matter of "if blacks calm down the cops won't hurt them". Regardless of black on black crime, that doesn't negate the fact that there is a clear police corruption problem as well.

Nobody said if they are calm they will never get hurt. What is being said is a whole shitload of these instances could of been avoided by just not resisting. Or just overall not being a violent criminal. When you lead a life of crime? This is how things usually end. It's rarely a happy ending, you either end up dead or in jail.

So you have it backwards, regardless of police corruption it doesn't mean there isn't a clear problem with black on black crime as well. The cop problem isn't the biggest one. Call me when cops start killing black guys at the record numbers blacks kill each other. How come whenever we hear news stories about BLM out there disrupting peoples lives..it's always over a cop? You really never hear something like "Police clash with BLM's members who blocked traffic over protests over gang violence".

I wouldn't bother with Lestov. He's not interested in facts or intelligent debate. He's already got his biases and agendas so he'll post some nonsense that vaguely support all of that. Then when you provide actual facts, he'll go all red herring on you.

Originally posted by Robtard
The NRA has seemingly been fairly quiet on this one. Strange since they're the first to point out how more guns could have averted tragedies when shootings like this happen in states/areas with heavier gun restrictions, yet it still happened in TX when multiple people with guns were present, both police and private citizens exercising their right to open-carry. Just food for thought.

Food for thought? You dont even have a point, clown.

Originally posted by NemeBro
But you were too stupid to realize that the data posted didn't actually prove the point (that the data doesn't make the cops look bad, it makes blacks look bad) you were trying to make?

The data showed there wasn't a racial bias when it came to shootings. After that the "data" I was talking about wasn't from those stats, but from the high homicide rate of this race.

The data makes blacks look bad in the sense of the narrative they put forth is cops are shooting and killing them due to racism. That data+ the homicide data is what I'm talking about.

Is "no u" all you can come up with you stupid ass-beaming child molester?

As opposed to someone who can just call people retarded or stupid over and over? Or with your asinine child molester insult?

Relevance?

That people need to stop acting like the life choices of this criminal didn't play a part.

It's not silly when Sterling's criminal record has literally zero relevance on whether or not he should have been executed by the police you ****ing moron lol.

Why should we talk about Sterling's criminal record when it doesn't matter?

Sterling not being a perfect angel means nothing, so why bring it up except to in some way lessen the importance of his execution?

Are you learning disabled? I listed the reasons why I brought it up, because people act like these people are automatically saints. When that stops being done I'll stop mentioning it.

Now, if you had some evidence that he was actually posing an immediate threat to police you'd have an argument. But why should anyone give a single shit about his lengthy criminal record when discussing his death?

Because dipshits act like the thug wasn't a thug?

I ask you for someone saying that blacks are blameless in the problems within black inner city neighborhoods, and you give me someone implicitly believing that the violent thuggery of the US police force has naturally resulted in violence towards them.

They're not the same thing.

Of course they won't say it, they don't have the balls.

Also, neither of the two most recent killings seem to fit that description, despite Sterling having a criminal record, so why even bring up the criminal record at all?

[QUOTE] No, I think cops being quick to use violent force when it isn't necessary is a problem that can only be caused by cops. And according to Dave's data, there apparently is a strong bias toward using force against black suspects, even ones who are compliant.

So yeah, the data is the biggest threat, to your own argument.

The data shows there isn't a bias in shootings, which is what blacks constantly claim.

Okay first of all, cops are held to higher standards than criminals, and should be.

But people shouldn't blame the cops for all the problems blacks face.

Second of all, once more, the victim being a criminal or not has literally no bearing on the shooting itself. Only the victim's actions during the shooting proper.

Do you understand that? Are you capable of comprehending?

Once again you insult others while at the same time showing your own lack of comprehension. When people stop acting like every single black guy killed by a cop is a saint then this information won't be relevant. But they haven't stopped, it still happens.

The victim being a criminal also has everything to do with the shooting: he only came to the cops attention due to criminal acts. If he had been a law abiding citizen he would still be alive. This is a fact. It doesn't mean he deserved to die, it just means he would still be alive if he wasn't a piece of shit who would break the law, wave a gun in a dudes face, etc.

This is about the bigger picture. It's about the constant need for people to automatically apply saint hood to just utter pieces of shit. A person can be a piece of shit without deserving to die, but it doesn't mean we act like their own choices didn't put these events into motion.