Do we know those cruisers aren't just Jedi star-fighters? 🙄
Given that 'cruiser' is pretty much a vague designation for a star-ship of varying sizes. And of course, as DMB pointed out, the same author had used the term to label speeders. Now, during the events of the Final Showdown, they're weren't dropping off an army of troops. The Jedi's ships would have only needed capacity for about, lets say around 10 people. So i doubt this is Dooku's defining feat.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
The only thing I said recently is that Vader is arguably more powerful than ANY Jedi or Sith when looking at how he Solos Rebel fleets Via his Piloting abilities. I haven't seen the likes of Yoda, Mace or Sidious do that. And they don't have the piloting accolades to suggest they could do that either.
Piloting is one of Vader's specialties - it's not a stretch to say that he would be a better one than Sidious, lmfao.
New flash Tempest: Not everything's about Palpatine.
You're wasting your time if you think that's gonna register, lol.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You turn into Quanchi to troll me every time I mention Palpatine. I mean seriously this post of yours sounds exactly like something Quanchi would write about me.I've never once said any of those guys beats Palpatine in a Lightsaber fight. So calm down.
The only thing I said recently is that Vader is arguably more powerful than ANY Jedi or Sith when looking at how he Solos Rebel fleets Via his Piloting abilities. I haven't seen the likes of Yoda, Mace or Sidious do that. And they don't have the piloting accolades to suggest they could do that either.
I'm only praising Vader's new found feats and accolades under Disney. And I've certainly not singled Palaptine out as being his inferior in this assessment.
New flash Tempest: Not everything's about Palpatine.
That's uniquely stupid phrasing on your part. Of course Vader's the superior pilot. That's about as relevant to "who's more powerful" as cooking prowess or the ability to play Guitar Hero.
They're all Sheev's b1tches.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
On a more serious note, I doubt that Dooku would've dared to resist Sidious's attack, so I don't think that alone constitutes proof that he could ragdoll him.
Given the tens of thousands of lightyears and armies and fleets between them, I think that would probably have been the best moment for Dooku to dare anything.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThat isn't relevant since that requires a ship and one occurrence but he was outplayed by the rebels ace. Han Solo is a great pilot as well but don't try comparing him in terms of combat ability to Maul, Dooku, or Palpatine. It's just ridiculous. You're being a Vader fanboy and your ridiculous logic is getting torn apart.
You turn into Quanchi to troll me every time I mention Palpatine. I mean seriously this post of yours sounds exactly like something Quanchi would write about me.I've never once said any of those guys beats Palpatine in a Lightsaber fight. So calm down.
The only thing I said recently is that Vader is arguably more powerful than ANY Jedi or Sith when looking at how he Solos Rebel fleets Via his Piloting abilities. I haven't seen the likes of Yoda, Mace or Sidious do that. And they don't have the piloting accolades to suggest they could do that either.
I'm only praising Vader's new found feats and accolades under Disney. And I've certainly not singled Palaptine out as being his inferior in this assessment.
New flash Tempest: Not everything's about Palpatine.
It's not like tens of thousands of light-years put him beyond Sidious's reach, or that those armies and fleets would obey him over his master. Dooku would have nothing to gain by trying to defy Palpatine. I guess you could say that he would've instinctively tried to protect himself, but I'm not completely sure.
Granted I still think Sidious could ragdoll him if he wanted to in a real fight.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's not like tens of thousands of light-years put him beyond Sidious's reach, or that those armies and fleets would obey him over his master. Dooku would have nothing to gain by trying to defy Palpatine. I guess you could say that he would've instinctively tried to protect himself, but I'm not completely sure.Granted I still think Sidious could ragdoll him if he wanted to in a real fight.
As far as the vast majority of the Confederacy is concerned, Dooku is supreme. During the war, Grievous and Ventress know who's really in charge. By the war's end, most of the Separatist Council goes. But how much of Sidious's authority to them derives from the mere fact that Dooku obeys him? There's no telling what might have happened if Dooku threw off that yoke. I'm sure Sidious had some sort of contingency in place, but there's no concrete evidence that Dooku would be ousted.
So the point is that while distance obviously doesn't make Dooku invulnerable, he's got a much better chance of surviving/winning with lots of distance and armies between them.
😬 I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you suggesting that Dooku wanted to turn against Palpatine, and just needed to be physically distant from him? He's constantly far away from Palpatine. Why would he suddenly choose that time to resist him, when he's being attacked, and would give away his intentions? Why doesn't he do this any other time? Is it just a pride thing because he doesn't want to get humiliated or something?
And as of the RotS novelization Dooku doesn't seem to have any plans to overthrow Sidious.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
😬 I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you suggesting that Dooku wanted to turn against Palpatine, and just needed to be physically distant from him? He's constantly far away from Palpatine. Why would he suddenly choose that time to resist him, when he's being attacked, and would give away his intentions? Why doesn't he do this any other time? Is it just a pride thing because he doesn't want to get humiliated or something?
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I'm saying if Dooku's ever going to stand up and fight back, the time was probably when Sidious wasn't there in person. The general rule of thumb for most fights when one is outmatched is to put as much distance between you and the other guy and put as much shit as you possibly can in between. The reason Dooku didn't resist because he knows it's futile either way.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
And as of the RotS novelization Dooku doesn't seem to have any plans to overthrow Sidious.
Yeah but that changed in 2008 when TCW was released. Dooku was planning to overthrow Sidious with Ventress, then with Savage.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sidious feared that ESB Luke could destroy him. 🙂
"Somewhere in the back of Palpatine's mind, he knows what Vader's potential is. He feels he may be wrong, but he is wary of it. So he's very interested in determining his ability to manipulate Vader and testing his loyalty and assuring himself that this tiger that he holds by the tail is going to stay that way."
"Yes, Vader remained strong in the Force, but strong enough to succeed me? Never. Granted, he was strong enough to kill me. "
Tempest, yeah, but Dooku is away from Palpatine like 95% of the time. It would be completely arbitrary for him to challenge Sidious's holocron except as a matter of pride. It would actually be incredibly stupid even if he wanted to - he would give away his hand and alert Sidious to his intentions. Better play dumb and plot behind his back.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Tempest, yeah, but Dooku is away from Palpatine like 95% of the time. It would be completely arbitrary for him to challenge Sidious's holocron except as a matter of pride. It would actually be incredibly stupid even if he wanted to - he would give away his hand and alert Sidious to his intentions. Better play dumb and plot behind his back.
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Dooku's sin is his pride lol. And I'm not saying it would have been smart to fight back; Dooku clearly would have died, that's the point. The point is that despite all that time, distance, and shittons of manpower commanded by Dooku between them... Dooku was choked like a b1tch. Because none of those things would have made a bit of difference. In the flesh or via hologram, Sidious would have stomped him either way.