Originally posted by MythLord
Which is an appeal to ignorance. Simply logic would note Sedriss drew from the electric discharge and radiation, and then annihilated Ood Bnar. Since a supernova failed, some simple radiation wouldn't have done squat to Bnar.And it'd make no sense for Sedriss to just be like: "Well, I can use this power that I have at my disposal to add to the destructive force I'm calling down from the atmosphere, or I can just redirect some minute energies".
Lol, did you just accidentally agree with me. Because yes, simple logic will tell you that. Also, the page tells us that Sedriss called down the energy of the charged atmosphere and used that as an attack. I see you can read as well. Well done. The supernova clearly either did far less damage than you're giving it credit for or Ood was far weaker. It's that simple.
The energies were clearly not minute. And he used the power at his disposal to draw the energy of the charged atmosphere down. As is stated. On the page. In exact terms. Of what he did. And how he did it. If you have evidence that he did more, please provide it.
Originally posted by MythLord
Karness Muur didn't use the Force in 7000 years. He still used it just fine when push comes to shove. And the Neti species is essentially immortal, or are known for living thousands of years, so he wouldn't need to sustain his life energy for that time at all, lmao.
Lol, being long lived doesn't mean you don't need to sustain yourself. Pretty sure Yoda still needs to eat and drink.
Muur's a ghost, its not the same thing as a living creature going for millennia without action.
Originally posted by MythLord
Yet it's flaura and fauna was noted in later novels, it has enough life energy to sustain colonies of Force sensitives, and was clearly enough for Ood Bnar to create such a massive explosion.We've only seen the ruins of Ossus in the comic, since that was the location Luke and Kam were focusing on -- the old Jedi ruins and libraries, which understandably have little plants. Also, Dark Empire's artwork is confusing in general.
Due to reconstruction efforts made on the part of the Republic and Jedi. Did you really not even read the Wookieepedia page? And gosh, did you just that that Ood created the explosion that killed him and Sedriss and not the latter? Huh, thats a good point and I agree with it. Great that we came to an understanding. 🙂
Interesting. So if Jedi ruins survived the supernova it wouldn't have actually of been that damaging. Interesting indeed.
Originally posted by MythLord
Hardly non-existent. The Living Force, which is the thing Luke was sensing, is derived from living beings. And there's certainly a lot of living beings on the planet of Luke feels the Force as being intensely concentrated on the planet.
A nexus doesn't require living things. How many times do I have to tell you, the planet was a wasteland with barely any life. If you have contradicting evidence, provide it or stop. That there was still some power left doesn't mean it would be a fraction of what it was in the time when Ossus teemed with hundreds of millions of people and was a lush paradise.
Originally posted by MythLord
I mean, he leaves his descendant in his place, where his roots were. And he was "uprooted" in a way, upon his death.
So...... no proof that he spread is roots to "the core of the nexus world" like you claimed? Ooookay.
It's largely irrelevant to post this as well, but I wrote it between shit and thought I might as well.
Originally posted by MythLord
The fact that his power was dormant means nothing. Karness Muur was dormant for seven millennia, an undoubtably longer time, and still managed against Krayt just fine, despite several disadvantages.There really is nothing to suggest he's not as powerful as he was back in the day, just because he was in stasis for that time, rooting himself into Ossuss' very core, and because this is the first time he fought in said form.
The form is meant to be his "evolved" form, so he's obviously going to be more powerful with it, and not hindered by it.
What? Muur was in stasis with Morne and was awake and prepared far more than Bnar was. Bnar hadn't used his power for millennia, while Muur very much had. Also he's biological and therefore has the same weaknesses that all living beings have against time and decay, unlike Muur.
Uh, that its the first time he's done anything in that form is exactly why he'd be weaker. And he wasn't in "stasis", he was asleep/in a coma. It's only natural that his abilities would atrophy after all that time. Not to mention that he's a ****in' tree who just got hit by a supernova and then spent 4000 years trying to sustain himself on a radioactive wasteland.
Lol, that doesn't make sense at all. He can't even move, he's only evolved in that he turned into an immortal tree. It wouldn't make him a better force user at all.
Originally posted by MythLord
Not at all. He "evolved", i.e. he surpassed his old limitations. He's more powerful in this state than in his humanoid one.
Bullshit.
Originally posted by MythLord
The radiation would've subsided over the course of millennia, so Sedriss would've have much to draw from, whereas Ood was drawing from the very core of the planet, whereas Sedriss was drawing and manipulating the charged energy of the atmosphere.And Sedriss just wasn't directing the power, either. He's clearly adding his own. Bnar already tanked a supernnova, and this is just a subdued bit of radiation from it that Sedriss is drawing from. Logically, it'd be a footnote to Bnar, unless of course Sedriss is ramping the power up.
Ood was drawing power from the life energy of the planet. A planet with no life and an actively hostile environment. And obviously the radiation didn't subside because it's still clearly visible and active.
Nope, you're making shit up.
Originally posted by MythLord
Luke was a meter away from the attack itself, and Jem was literally being held onto by Sedriss during the struggle, and only let go immediately after the explosion.
Again, bullshit. You can clearly see them a good distance away from the attack when it took place right in the panel. On the next page we can see that the attack was incredibly focused, it barely scorched the area around Ood while obliterating everything caught inside.
Originally posted by MythLord
And at the end of the day, what does this prove? Sedriss, as can be seen in the comic, targets Ood himself. Precog let him see if he'd likely die, so he intended to kill Bnar first.That really means little in the way of discreditting the fact that he annihilated Bnar when Kun couldn't.
That he put everything he had into a suicidal last attack, similar to Marek and Worror's dying acts, among others.
They annihilated each other. Hell, considering the way the page is layed out, I'd actually suggest that it's Ood who annihilates them both. We can see in the top panel that Ood is crackling with energy, which could be what the narration is talking about as Sedriss' attack. It's only when mentioning Ood's response that the actual fireworks happen. At the least it's apparent that it was actually both of their attacks colliding that disintegrated them.
Originally posted by MythLord
But if he is "far more powerful", he'd have an easy time breaking through his barrier. And even if he's above Sedriss by a vast amount, he would've murked Ood instantaneously since Sedriss and Ood annihilated each other in the span of seconds.Kun clearly had several seconds to spare. In fact, he had more, seeing as how he had to sit back and witness his Massassi fight Sylvar. If he was in a hurry, he'd one-shot her as he did in Sith War 3.
To further drive this point home, the supernnova was errected hours after the struggle between Bnar and Kun on Ossuss. So clearly Exar had more than enough time to go back to Ood, overwhelm him, and then move on with his life. But he didn't, because he couldn't. Sedriss could. He sacrificed himself at the end of it, but at least he achieved something Kun couldn't.
Not when Ood was using the life energy of the planet to fuel his defense.
He had more important shit to be doing when he already had so much lore and Ood is merely protecting some lightsabers that are barely useful to him.
In the end, it's impossible for you to ever win this discussion. The discrepancy in the performance can be easily explained by the discrepancy in circumstances. Your point is only valid if Sedriss out performed Kun in a way that can't be explained away. It can and therefor you're fangless here.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Alright dear, I've no interest in speaking to a broken record.
Yes, we know you can't respond because what I said it actually accurate to the source while your theory isn't. No need to be sour about it.
Originally posted by NephthysNo, you're merely repeating the same thing ad verbatim while failing to grasp that it doesn't preclude Myth's point in the slightest.
Yes, we know you can't respond because what I said it actually accurate to the source while your theory isn't. No need to be sour about it.
The mere suggestion of Kun's impotency is enough, tbh.
On a different note, is anyone going to address the disparity between Luke and Kun's handling of Bnar's unleashed power as I outlined here? Seems to me that the former in a weakened state, managed to entirely absorb the shockwaves of Bnar's power, while Kun was left struggling to stand against a weaker burst. Mmm.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The mere suggestion of Kun's impotency is enough, tbh.On a different note, is anyone going to address the disparity between Luke and Kun's handling of Bnar's unleashed power as I outlined here? Seems to me that the former in a weakened state, managed to entirely absorb the shockwaves of Bnar's power, while Kun was left struggling to stand against a weaker burst. Mmm.
Looks like a solid analysis, with compelling conclusions. Especially in light of the fact that both drew attacks their power from the core and Ood Bnar's last one had Sedriss's energies added to the mix.
Originally posted by NephthysWas he? At what point does Bnar yell "look out, I'm gonna blow!". Bnar tells him to "get back" but Luke doesn't listen, nothing prepared him for the power the Jedi then unleashed, nor does Luke appear ready as he drops his lightsaber and fails to throw up his hands.
Kun wasn't expecting it, Luke was. The attack itself was very focused, as can be seen on the next page.
And the power he unleashed in TotJ was no less contained, but both were caught in its shockwaves.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Was he? At what point does Bnar yell "look out, I'm gonna blow!". Bnar tells him to "get back" but Luke doesn't listen, nothing prepared him for the power the Jedi then unleashed, nor does Luke appear ready as he drops his lightsaber and fails to throw up his hands.And the power he unleashed in TotJ was no less contained.
Uh, yes? He was able to shield himself from it and had the presence of mind to get clear. Bnar's warning makes it apparent shit was about to go down.
And unlike Luke Kun was stand close enough to get hit, though it could have just been the ground getting ripped apart by his roots and Ood growing like 3 times bigger.
Originally posted by NephthysAre you reading the same comic?
Uh, yes? He was able to shield himself from it and had the presence of mind to get clear. Bnar's warning makes it apparent shit was about to go down.And unlike Luke Kun was stand close enough to get hit, though it could have just been the ground getting ripped apart by his roots and Ood growing like 3 times bigger.
He didn't have the presence of mind to get clear, Kam did but Luke was occupied trying to save the girl to pay heed to Bnar's warning. I'm not seeing where you are getting the idea he got clear from, you'll have to explain. And evidently was close enough to have gotten hit since it's stated they were "flung to the ground" (hint, Kam Solusar, who did get clear, was not.) Again, are we reading the same comic?
EDIT: And in TotJ it states that "waves of Force surge through the newly transformed Jedi master", waves that we see crackling around him and evidently responsible for flooring Kun. The alternate being he was left struggling to stand after being hit by a tree, lol.
Originally posted by The_TempestThis is also telling tbh, and brings into question the idea that the power Bnar was harnessing was relative to the living matter on the planet's surface. Especially considering that despite Ossus being seemingly barren, Bnar is still able to unleash a beam of annihilating energy that outstrips in magnitude what he unleashed against Kun. The reasoning that as a result of the condition of the planet, Bnar would have had only a fraction of his power to call upon, demanding we assume he brought only a fraction of a fraction of his full power to bear against Exar Kun. Or rather than we abandon reason. More likely that the energy Bnar is drawing upon extends far deeper, hundreds of kilometers deep into the planet's core, were there exists reserves of energy independent from the surface.
Welp, I was gonna counter Neph, but what is the point? Beni and Temp did all the work for me. Moral of the story: Sedriss is comparable to Kun. 👆
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sedriss was said to be possibly greater than DE Luke, so it's possible.
Kinda disproven when he got overwhelmed by Luke, but meh.
Originally posted by MythLord
[B]Sedriss is comparable to Kun. 👆
Here's what I'm getting.
. Sedriss and Bnar killed each other
. The page succeeding implies Bnar might have disintegrated them both to save them all - and he even leaves a legacy of a small stump behind for an heroic intent
. The living energy of the planets core - which is tied to the plants and animals - is going to be considerably less than what it was in Kun's time, even if it's somehow stll powerful.
. Bnar in Kun's time could tank a supernova in that form, the implications here are that Sedriss is more powerful than that, despite of the planets condition, a notion which is more problematic that him being > Kun
. The charged atmosphere Sedriss drew upon probably has more to do with it than Sedriss' personal power and he is simply a conduit to use it.[/quote]
Kinda disproven when he got overwhelmed by Luke, but meh
Not really, that just means whatever power Luke could summon was greater than Sedriss at that point, not that Sedriss couldn't surpass or even rival him, or that he couldn't get the better of Luke when amped. Even Telekinesis can be a case of skill over raw power - Dooku is able to overwhelm Anakin with TK. You just end the line their by saying Kun overpowered Luke in weakened state . And we both know that Kun is masterful enough to take out Sedriss pretty easily too.
So Ood Bnar uses the nexus of Ossus in its prime to create an impenetrable barrier of Force energy with Surge, where he is literally transforming into the planet, which is enough to tank the following super nova wave. Then because Sedriss can destroy Ood Bnar, in a far less powerful version of Ossus, where it isn't even implied that Bnar defends himself, Sedriss > Exar Kun?
Damn DE Luke > Sedriss > Exar Kun >> Master Luke confirmed.
Top tier logic.
Originally posted by AncientPower
So Ood Bnar uses the nexus of Ossus in its prime to create an impenetrable barrier of Force energy with Surge, where he is literally transforming into the planet, which is enough to tank the following super nova wave. Then because Sedriss can destroy Ood Bnar, in a far less powerful version of Ossus, where it isn't even implied that Bnar defends himself, Sedriss > Exar Kun?Damn DE Luke > Sedriss > Exar Kun >> Master Luke confirmed.
Top tier logic.
