Yoda vs RotS Vader

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Syndicate: What scene wasn't included in the movie? 😬

Like Sas pointed out, they aren't the same thing. And secondly, nothing states Dooku was not entirely focused on Anakin when they were dueling and Kenobi was pushed away. [/B]

Dooku gaining the upper hand over Anakin and Sidious encouraging his rage.

Why aren't they the same thing? Both situations keep the entirety of the character's focus off of combating their opponent effectively.

Nothing states it, it's just logic given Dooku would likely not want to be caught off guard by Kenobi upon realizing the duo's capabilities.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Syndicate: What scene wasn't included in the movie? 😬

The part of the fight where Anakin and Kenobi were pretending to fail, and the part where Anakin loses his edge.

@NG: That part isn't included as well but I'm referring to Dooku gaining the edge over Anakin and Anakin regaining the edge after having his rage stroked by Sidious.

Originally posted by Syndicate
@NG: That part isn't included as well but I'm referring to Dooku gaining the edge over Anakin and Anakin regaining the edge after having his rage stroked by Sidious.

...AKA the part where Anakin loses his edge. 😬

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The part of the fight where Anakin and Kenobi were pretending to fail, and the part where Anakin loses his edge.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
...AKA the part where Anakin loses his edge. 😬

Ah yes, you're correct. Apologies, I thought you were referring solely to the beginning of the fight.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So scenes not relevant to the debate. 👆

Thats the pivotal scene where Anakin goes super sayian and owns Dooku, lol. Its pretty relevant.

Also a ton of the fight is nothing like the movie in terms of actions or whats supposed to be happening.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Why aren't they the same thing? Both situations keep the entirety of the character's focus off of combating their opponent effectively.

The other is Anakin intentionally restraining his own power and not knowing how to fight Dooku out of fear his rage will consume him.

They're like comparing apples with orangesairplanes, like holy ****.

Nothing states it, it's just logic given Dooku would likely not want to be caught off guard by Kenobi upon realizing the duo's capabilities.

In other words, you're completely talking out of your ass.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So scenes not relevant to the debate. 👆

The part where Anakin loses his edge isn't relevant to the debate when that's the scene your basing the movie to novel timescale off of? :/

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats the pivotal scene where Anakin goes super sayian and owns Dooku, lol. Its pretty relevant.

Also a ton of the fight is nothing like the movie in terms of actions.

Lol. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats the pivotal scene where Anakin goes super sayian and owns Dooku, lol. Its pretty relevant.

Different arguments - but one prize. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats the pivotal scene where Anakin goes super sayian and owns Dooku, lol. Its pretty relevant.

Also a ton of the fight is nothing like the movie in terms of actions or whats supposed to be happening.

That happens in the movie too, though. Just without Sidious' intervention.

Originally posted by Syndicate
The part where Anakin loses his edge isn't relevant to the debate when that's the scene your basing the movie to novel timescale off of? :/

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That happens in the movie too, though. Just without Sidious' intervention.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
One is Dooku using his Force senses to keep tabs on his environment, which all Jedi and Sith do. Skywalker would be doing it too.

The other is Anakin intentionally restraining his own power and not knowing how to fight Dooku out of fear his rage will consume him.

They're like comparing apples with [strike]oranges[/i]airplanes, like holy ****.

Except the text makes note of Dooku realizing Kenobi is back in the picture by seeing him through the electric haze of Anakin's lightsaber, not through sensing his movement through the Force. 😬

In other words, you're completely talking out of your ass. [/B]

There's a difference between keeping your awareness focused on a small area around you to keep you from tripping on stuff ( which btw Zannah was unable to do when focusing on defending against Bane AND enacting a Sith spell ) and having to focus on an enemy combatant that can nearly match you in a contest of sabers by themselves when you're already facing an opponent who's capable of driving you back.

Anakin's power isn't diminished from it's normal state when he focused on containing his rage. His rage was already contained prior to that point. He lost his single minded focus upon realizing that rage existed within him.

I never mentioned senses. You did. I said Dooku would be keeping a part of his focus on keeping an eye out for Kenobi which he did.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That happens in the movie too, though. Just without Sidious' intervention.

So without the entire thing, yes. Sidious' interjection is the whole reason Anakin does that. You're trying to cut out only the parts of the book you want even though they're completely non-sensical without the rest of it.

Dooku's taunt is also completely different and happens at a different time, for what its worth.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What? We're judging the scenes from Dooku pushing Kenobi to Kenobi attacking Dooku, and from Anakin pushing Dooku off the ledge to Dooku's taunting, both of which are compatible in both the novel and film versions.

Except Dooku didn't climb a flight of stairs in the movie. You're cherrypicking. You can't argue because Dooku was falling back for 3 seconds before saber locking Anakin in the move that's about how long it would have taken Dooku to have been defeated in the novel had he not employed Dun Moch. Dooku notes that he dreads what would happen if Anakin let loose with his rage but that he was not dreading what was going to occur in the new few seconds of the fight.

Originally posted by Syndicate
There's a difference between keeping your awareness focused on a small area around you to keep you from tripping on stuff ( which btw Zannah was unable to do when focusing on defending against Bane AND enacting a Sith spell ) and having to focus on an enemy combatant that can nearly match you in a contest of sabers by themselves when you're already facing an opponent who's capable of driving you back.

Anakin's power isn't diminished from it's normal state when he focused on containing his rage. His rage was already contained prior to that point. He lost his single minded focus upon realizing that rage existed within him.

I never mentioned senses. You did. I said Dooku would be keeping a part of his focus on keeping an eye out for Kenobi which he did.

Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So without the entire thing, yes. Sidious' interjection is the whole reason Anakin does that. You're trying to cut out only the parts of the book you want even though they're completely non-sensical without the rest of it.

I'm not trying to cut out anything. On the contrary, I've always been open to considering information from all three versions of the fight.

You're the one who is trying so desperately to define what is and isn't legitimate material, even when doing so dices half of your argument.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Except Dooku didn't climb a flight of stairs in the movie.

Wait, what? Yes, yes he did. 😬