SoD Maul vs DoE Bane

It's funny how you specifically highlighted bullshit, petty insults and drama as being sucky and a negative thing in Temps thread and here you are doing nothing but shitpost and insult dmb.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
On fodder.

On a nexus and on people literally regarded as Fodder.

On fodder

The Drexl thing? Reallg?

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Pretty sure no-ones disintegrated anything but fodder., cuz.

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant again. Incinerating fodder is still in the highest levels of Force Lightning. Besides, Maul can't even fry a noodle, lol.

No. In DoE he blocks concussion grenades and later he uses that thing to block Zannah's lightsaber.

When he's escaping the prison. He unleashes a ion storm that absorbs blaster bolts and melts the blasters of the guards.

Yeah, its not like Bane's lightning was dodged by a fodder character like Hetton 😂. Or that Bane's unamped TK feats are garbage compared to Maul.

Maul still has a galactic unbalancing of the Force to boost most of his feats, so the nexus argument cancels itself out.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah in relation to Force techniques, which is great and all but in reality all Bane appears to be combatively capable of in that regard is shooting lighting and TK, nothing special.

What, opposed to Maul who can't even do half of those things? 😆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well actually he was defeated in sabers, destroyed even. The only reason he was doing well before was because 1. intimate knowledge of Kas'im's style 2. sheer power, he has none of those advantages here.

No, Bane destroyed Kas'im in a fair fight. Kas'im then exploited a gap he'd created in Bane's capabilities. And Kas'im's style was every lightsaber form perfected to it's highest degree, so intimate knowledge of that, when Bane was mainly focusing on his own techniques instead of studying Kas'im's, is a pretty freaking high degree of skill.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
But again, how much of that does he actually use in combat, Force lighting and TK are basic bread and butter abilities. Force drain and ion storms he's only ever used against fodder, Force bubbles is another basic ability, at least in the Bane books.

Pretty sure he uses them more than Maul does. That doesn't matter though, you asked me to prove Bane's combat skill. The fact that he's capable in a wide variety of advanced combat techniques is proof.

Force bubble isn't a basic ability in any era.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Perhaps, though frankly Maul rivals his physical feats in Lockdown, when he wasn't even using the Force. Nor does his level of lightsaber training on level with Maul's. Indeed Bane's abilities have only ever been tested against his contemporaries. Certainly against Kas'im, who has the best cross-era credentials, he ended up rather outclassed.

Bane has displayed a far higher learning rate than Maul, so his lightsaber training doesn't mean much other than that Bane's mastered just as much as he did in a shorter amount of time. Maul also did more training than Obi-Wan, we saw how that turned out. And Kas'im did way more training than Bane and was still driven into a panicked retreat by him.

Also I'm pretty sure everyones abilities have only ever been tested against their contemporaries. Since you know, it would kind of be impossible to do anything else, lol.

Pls friends, keep the catfights out of it. This is a nice clean thread in which to discuss Bane's inferiority to Maul. 🙂

And that's nice Ziggy, but there is no actual proof the unbalancing in the Force "boosted" is powers, or that if such a boost occurred, it was not permanent. In fact, Maul doesn't even notice the imbalance until his return during the Clone Wars.

There is not a statement claiming Bane's Force abilties were boosted on Lehnon either, so I guess we can just use those feats, and say he'll liquidate Maul with a Force push.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What, opposed to Maul who can't even do half of those things? 😆

No, Bane destroyed Kas'im in a fair fight. Kas'im then exploited a gap he'd created in Bane's capabilities. And Kas'im's style was every lightsaber form perfected to it's highest degree, so intimate knowledge of that, when Bane was mainly focusing on his own techniques instead of studying Kas'im's, is a pretty freaking high degree of skill.

Pretty sure he uses them more than Maul does. That doesn't matter though, you asked me to prove Bane's combat skill. The fact that he's capable in a wide variety of advanced combat techniques is proof.

Force bubble isn't a basic ability in any era.

Bane has displayed a far higher learning rate than Maul, so his lightsaber training doesn't mean much other than that Bane's mastered just as much as he did in a shorter amount of time.

Maul also did more training than Obi-Wan, we saw how that turned out.

And Kas'im did way more training than Bane and was still driven into a panicked retreat by him.

Also I'm pretty sure everyones abilities have only ever been tested against their contemporaries. Since you know, it would kind of be impossible to do anything else, lol.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
There is not a statement claiming Bane's Force abilties were boosted on Lehnon either, so I guess we can just use those feats, and say he'll liquidate Maul with a Force push.

We can and should, yes.

Also we can say that Maul was doubly-amped because of the affect the Force unbalancing had on the Jedi ala mace windu -

Our ability to use the Force has been diminished

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
There is not a statement claiming Bane's Force abilties were boosted on Lehnon either, so I guess we can just use those feats, and say he'll liquidate Maul with a Force push.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Also we can say that Maul was doubly-amped because of the affect the Force unbalancing had on the Jedi ala mace windu -

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm pretty sure that's what you explicitly said actually.

Prior to that camp thing yeah.

So you're saying "one of the best" is different from "the best in over 2500 years"

Yeah? Being one of the best is vague in context, the Maul quotes gives a range of years and Sith Lords to scale off of. Like the Dooku quote, he's one of the best in the orders 25.000 year old history versus Malaks "one of the best" quote. There's a huge difference wouldn't you say?

It's like Tachi's quote of being the Best lightsaber fighter in the entire temple, we're given that quote with no context or mention of the master's so...suddenly she's master tier? As a padawan? No because obviously someone like Jinn, by virtue of feats" the most celebrated master quote, is obviously superior to her.

If you're actually saying Maul is the best in over 2500 years, then you're even more retarded then I thought.

No he's not the best, counts as one of the best right? The argument here is that given that each generation of Master and Apprentice grows in power, that Maul would be above several Banite Sith, likely above Bane and Zannah through scaling. His quote about being better trained than most Sith in the last 2500 or so years just adds to that.

Also you mentioning Zannah doesn't even remotely change the point I'm making, so don't act like nitpicking those semantics means jack shit.

If you're gonna make a point, make sure it's correct.

[quote)If I gathered every time you were wrong about some thing and backtracked by claiming you were saying something other than what you were saying I could write a book longer than the bible.[/quote]

Noted.

I am not your hun. I know you're extremely sexually frustrated in Aurbere's absence, but that's no reason to make this weirdly personal

Thats rich coming from you.

Banite scaling (ie. each generation being stronger) only applies to people who have actually... you know... surpassed their masters. Otherwise Maul>Sheev

If you can actually prove the claim that Maul is the best in 2500 years you might have a point.

This would assume he's better than Tenebrous tho :mmm:

But I haven't seen the quote for that, and it's kinda contradicted by the fact that Sidious and Plagueis predate him and blatantly shit all over him, so unless you can prove that it's kinda just you being retarded tbh.

You didn't quote anything with a quote so which one are you referring to?

Funny how the guy accusing me of liking drama is the one bringing personal shit into this. [/B]

Dude, Elite bullet or whatever ain't a big secret. And you lost rights to secret club when Syn spilled the beans on here buddy

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Pls friends, keep the catfights out of it. This is a nice clean thread in which to discuss Bane's inferiority to Maul. 🙂

And that's nice Ziggy, but there is no actual proof the unbalancing in the Force "boosted" is powers, or that if such a boost occurred, it was not permanent. In fact, Maul doesn't even notice the imbalance until his return during the Clone Wars.

I think that's because the Force doesn't really come out of balance in any meaningful way until around the time the Clone Wars occur in canon.

I've always preferred the idea that it's a result of Sheev's machinations, not literally because he knocked it off balance because of ritual. That's one thing I won't miss about Legends.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You mean he can't do Force lightning. Not that big a deal.

You're the one who made it a big deal that Bane knowing loads of advanced force abilities doesn't matter because he only uses TK and lightning (kind of like Sidious and Valkorion tbh), you don't see how that also reflects of Maul who doesn't know any of those abilities AND can't use lightning?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah by abusing his Force advantage, which he does not have here. The gap being Bane's knowledge of his opponents fighting style, hint, he knows nothing of Maul's fighting style, and worse yet, its rather similar to the style Kas'im used to trash him.

Uh, wut? SoD Maul uses the Darksaber only. He goes single-blade style. Just like Bane. Who would be even more familiar with that style than he would double-bladed style. So good try? And knowing Kas'im's moves was only half of it, Bane was also able to counter them all and gain the upper hand, while Kas'im was not able to do the same to Bane.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, in relation to a non-fodder engagement. And pretty much everyone in Drew's novels is throwing up shields to prevent their bones being crushed, organs pulped yadda yadda yadda. Maul has been Force pushed without that shit happening to him either, so I guess he has this power.

That's not relevant to this. You asked me to prove Bane's combat skill. That Bane knows several advanced combat abilities is entirely relevant, however. Especially when compared to Maul, who only uses TK. So is more skilled in this regard than Maul, then he certainly merits being one of the most skilled in history.

You're thinking of basic force shields, which yeah everyone can do. I'm talking about a full on Force Bubble.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
On what basis?

PoD. It's a decent book, you should read it. Bane's learning rate in it is pretty nuts.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, Obi-Wan lost...

Maul lost a lot more than Obi-Wan did in that duel. But he also didn't lose in TCW when he whooped him and his bro at the same time.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Until he wasn't. mmm

Irrelevant to this discussion. In a fair fight Bane was kicking his ass. In terms of actual combat ability, Bane is Kas'ims superior. And DoE Bane is vastly superior to the Bane who was beating Kas'im.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes, but unlike Maul Bane's combat skills haven't been said to be the among the best in mythos. And was shat on by someone's who'd had.

You're being obnoxious. You know the circumstances with Kas'im turning the tables. Please drop this attitude if you want to continue the discussion.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're the one who made it a big deal that Bane knowing loads of advanced force abilities doesn't matter because he only uses TK and lightning (kind of like Sidious and Valkorion tbh), you don't see how that also reflects of Maul who doesn't know any of those abilities AND can't use lightning?

Uh, wut? SoD Maul uses the Darksaber only. He goes single-blade style. Just like Bane. Who would be even more familiar with that style than he would double-bladed style. So good try? And knowing Kas'im's moves was only half of it, Bane was also able to counter them all and gain the upper hand, while Kas'im was not able to do the same to Bane.

And yes because again, Bane was too powerful. He moved beyond forms

That's not relevant to this. You asked me to prove Bane's combat skill. That Bane knows several advanced combat abilities is entirely relevant, however. Especially when compared to Maul, who only uses TK. So is more skilled in this regard than Maul, then he certainly merits being one of the most skilled in history.

You're thinking of basic force shields, which yeah everyone can do. I'm talking about a full on Force Bubble.

PoD. It's a decent book, you should read it. Bane's learning rate in it is pretty nuts.

Maul lost a lot more than Obi-Wan did in that duel. But he also didn't lose in TCW when he whooped him and his bro at the same time.

Irrelevant to this discussion. In a fair fight Bane was kicking his ass. In terms of actual combat ability, Bane is Kas'ims superior. And DoE Bane is vastly superior to the Bane who was beating Kas'im.

You're being obnoxious. You know the circumstances with Kas'im turning the tables. Please drop this attitude if you want to continue the discussion.

>Kas'im
>better swordsman than DoE Bane
> Jesus H. Christ

Bane in both rounds, lol.

I just looked at some panels for SoD and Maul doesn't have a lightsaber on his belt he only has the Darksaber. Guess he lost it when Sidious made him his *****.

That might well be the case, if so fair enough, he'll have to make do spanking him with one.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
>Kas'im
>better swordsman than DoE Bane
> Jesus H. Christ

Bane in both rounds, lol.

Beni, can you name three members on KMC that like you?

Me 🙂

I'm cool with him. He can tolerate and is patient with Nephs horrible debating skills so he's good in my book