Deadshot vs Winter Soldier...

Originally posted by KingD19
Floyd does have a quickdraw feat. When he assassinates the guy. He looks down his scope, then puts his rifle down and then he eyeballs it and fires off a snapshot from his wrist gun and makes a perfect ricochet kill off the fence. He wasn't drawing from the hip and fanning the hammer, but it counts as one imo.

It's close, except for the fact that DS had already scouted the area and already prepared a plan of attack, indicated by his countdown timer of his kill window. So although he did shoot quickly, it was a shot he already knew how to make and where the target would be.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
WS was shot at at point blank with a pair of automatic pistols where Falcon (as evidenced in the movie) has shown to have impressive skill-in-flight with. He didn't jump away from the shots (w/c is my point) he dodged them as the bullets were raining around them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNKFukHMhHI

Look at 2:38, the bullets were zipping all around him, in fact, if you look closely, one bullet deflected off his metal arm. That is literally what dodging is (w/c refutes your comment of "he simply jumped out of the way"😉.

And no, ppl have dodged bullets before IRL, they don't have to do it Neo style.

Also, like I said, this point of logic is irrelevant. There will be little/no time for either characters to dodge each other's shots. Fastest draw wins.

I don't understand why you posted a video showing exactly what I said. He literally flipped out of the way of the bullets. That's exactly what he did. Something we see ALL the time in movies and real life. Point being, I could cite 1000 movies where this very thing happens. It's not that impressive Nib.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Also rewatched CATWS and WS very rarely misses. Almost all his shots are on point, the only reason his targets don't always get hit is because the targets either block or dodge. But it's not due to bad aim. The only time he really missed was in his gunfight against BW, but then again BW >> random zombies that DS shot up.

Rarely missed? the whole freeway scene was him essentially missing. ergo, he's missed more than he hits.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Rarely missed? the whole freeway scene was him essentially missing. ergo, he's missed more than he hits.

I just rewatched the entire movie. The times he missed were due to either the target blocking or dodging, not due to bad aim. The only time he really missed was in a short gun fight with Black Widow while he was on the bridge and she was under it. So yeah, try again.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He fired 3 shots. All shots landed center mass (you hear an impact "thud" following every shot w/c makes it sound there were 6 shots but there were only 3). As indicated by the bullet holes at 1:19 and Fury's wounds w/c are clear as day if you pause at 1:23. This was done with him not having any LOS on Fury.

https://youtu.be/U2fap9_S30M

Like I said, wrong scene to use to downplay WS's shooting skills, this was actually pretty badass.

Also, sorry for the late reply. Have been very very busy recently.

Fair enough, as i said I'd have to watch again.

As I said, wasn't a downplay of WS as I've noted he's very formidable, just that DS would have killed Fury in the same scene since he has 100% accuracy and can make headshots with ease.

No worries. Have you watched SS yet? Curious what you think.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough, as i said I'd have to watch again.

As I said, wasn't a downplay of WS as I've noted he's very formudable, just that DS would have killed Fury in the same scene since he has 100% accuracy and can make headshots with ease.

No worries. Have you watched SS yet? Curioys what you think.

To be fair, we've never seen DS attempt to shoot someone through a wall.

Originally posted by FrothByte
To be fair, we've never seen DS attempt to shoot someone through a wall.

He probably would have bounced the bullet off Cap's shield which was laying against the wall 😛

Originally posted by FrothByte
I just rewatched the entire movie. The times he missed were due to either the target blocking or dodging, not due to bad aim. The only time he really missed was in a short gun fight with Black Widow while he was on the bridge and she was under it. So yeah, try again.

Do you realize what you're saying here? I mean, you're proving me right, and then have the nerve to say try again? LOL. That's funny Froth, pretty damn funny. Them Moving out of the way or behind something MEANS HE MISSED. Missing occurs when you aim, you have an intended target, but you come up empty. It suddenly doesn't cease from being a miss because somebody dodged it or hide behind something, it's still a damn miss. Let me guess, are you going to prove my point again and then say try again?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I just rewatched the entire movie. The times he missed were due to either the target blocking or dodging, not due to bad aim. The only time he really missed was in a short gun fight with Black Widow while he was on the bridge and she was under it. So yeah, try again.

Great, so you admit that KT's statement is FACT; Winter Soldier misses more than he hits...

Rationalize it however you want, but KT's statement is fact...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you realize what you're saying here? I mean, you're proving me right, and then have the nerve to say try again? LOL. That's funny Froth, pretty damn funny. Them Moving out of the way or behind something MEANS HE MISSED. Missing occurs when you aim, you have an intended target, but you come up empty. It suddenly doesn't cease from being a miss because somebody dodged it or hide behind something, it's still a damn miss. Let me guess, are you going to prove my point again and then say try again?

👆

He just doesn't want accept the fact that, compared to Deadshot, Winter Soldiers aim sucks...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you realize what you're saying here? I mean, you're proving me right, and then have the nerve to say try again? LOL. That's funny Froth, pretty damn funny. Them Moving out of the way or behind something MEANS HE MISSED. Missing occurs when you aim, you have an intended target, but you come up empty. It suddenly doesn't cease from being a miss because somebody dodged it or hide behind something, it's still a damn miss. Let me guess, are you going to prove my point again and then say try again?

I believe you're missing the point here. You can miss either due to bad aim or due to the target doing something to avoid getting hit. In this case, I was pointing out that WS not hitting his target was due to his targets actively trying to not get hit as opposed to WS actually having bad aim.

After all, none of Deadshot's targets actively tried to dodge or block bullets. All his targets were either stationary, unaware of being shot at, dumb zombies who just charged blindly into gunfire, or a big flaming zombie who was impervious to being shot at.

The ONLY target DS shot at that actively tried to avoid getting hit was Batman. And if your definition of a miss is the shooter not hitting and taking down his target then by all means DS missed when he shot Batman, because I'm pretty sure DS is not stupid enough to try and aim for Batman's armor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except Bucky has shown reflexes fast enough to keep up with guys like Cap and Black Panther. You have zero response to this which is why you just keep ignoring it.

I'm not even saying that Bucky can quickdraw faster, just that they'll shoot roughly the same time and the person who can run or dodge will be the one that survives.

You keep insisting that WS misses a lot and yet never seem to give an actual example of him missing a LOT.

He misses alot during the freeway scene you seem hellbent on ignoring...

Originally posted by quanchi112
If I lost every other debate I've ever done that would have no bearing on this thread. Fact is my logic is being supported because it's intelligent and objective. You would take this topic to a battlezone with me if you believed in yourself. You're a loser who thinks votes is evidence. Continue use to be a laughing stock who hides behind other men, loser.

Expect you've lost MORE than "every other" battlezone...

Thus your sub 500 record...

Thus you suck at debating as you lose more than you win...

Anyway, 13-5...

Deadshot wins...

:-)

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He misses alot during the freeway scene you seem hellbent on ignoring...

And I keep asking you to list all these supposed misses... which you never do. Just saying he misses a LOT and then not proving it isn't going to cut the cake.

Winter Soldier hit Fury, hit Fury's SUV, hit Cap, hit Widow, hit all the cars and SUV's that he shot at... and he missed Widow once when she was taking cover behind a bus.

Now show me all these other misses you keep spouting.

In comparison, EVERY SINGLE OPPONENT that DS shot was out in the open, not bothering to cover up, dodge or block the hits.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I believe you're missing the point here. You can miss either due to bad aim or due to the target doing something to avoid getting hit. In this case, I was pointing out that WS not hitting his target was due to his targets actively trying to not get hit as opposed to WS actually having bad aim.

After all, none of Deadshot's targets actively tried to dodge or block bullets. All his targets were either stationary, unaware of being shot at, dumb zombies who just charged blindly into gunfire, or a big flaming zombie who was impervious to being shot at.

The ONLY target DS shot at that actively tried to avoid getting hit was Batman. And if your definition of a miss is the shooter not hitting and taking down his target then by all means DS missed when he shot Batman, because I'm pretty sure DS is not stupid enough to try and aim for Batman's armor.

And despite everything you just said, Deadshots shooting feats crap all over Winter Soldiers...

He perfectly headshot waves of charging, moving, targets...

Downplaying that is ignorance personified; Winter Soldier has no feat of accuracy that great...

Accept the truth; Deadshots aim is far better than Winter Soldiers...

Originally posted by FrothByte
And I keep asking you to list all these supposed misses... which you never do. Just saying he misses a LOT and then not proving it isn't going to cut the cake.

Winter Soldier hit Fury, hit Fury's SUV, hit Cap, hit Widow, hit all the cars and SUV's that he shot at... and he missed Widow once when she was taking cover behind a bus.

Now show me all these other misses you keep spouting.

In comparison, EVERY SINGLE OPPONENT that DS shot was out in the open, not bothering to cover up, dodge or block the hits.

Ignorant fool!

He fired multiple BURSTS at Black Widow during the freeway sequence...they all missed.

He didn't hit her until they were well away from the freeway...

Originally posted by FrothByte
And I keep asking you to list all these supposed misses... which you never do. Just saying he misses a LOT and then not proving it isn't going to cut the cake.

Winter Soldier hit Fury, hit Fury's SUV, hit Cap, hit Widow, hit all the cars and SUV's that he shot at... and he missed Widow once when she was taking cover behind a bus.

Now show me all these other misses you keep spouting.

In comparison, EVERY SINGLE OPPONENT that DS shot was out in the open, not bothering to cover up, dodge or block the hits.

Perfectly headshotting waves of charging targets is dam impressive...

I'm betting you haven't shot a gun or done target practice at a shooting range before...

That's the only way you can see what Deadshot has done and not be in awe about it...

Originally posted by FrothByte
I believe you're missing the point here. You can miss either due to bad aim or due to the target doing something to avoid getting hit. In this case, I was pointing out that WS not hitting his target was due to his targets actively trying to not get hit as opposed to WS actually having bad aim.

After all, none of Deadshot's targets actively tried to dodge or block bullets. All his targets were either stationary, unaware of being shot at, dumb zombies who just charged blindly into gunfire, or a big flaming zombie who was impervious to being shot at.

The ONLY target DS shot at that actively tried to avoid getting hit was Batman. And if your definition of a miss is the shooter not hitting and taking down his target then by all means DS missed when he shot Batman, because I'm pretty sure DS is not stupid enough to try and aim for Batman's armor.

Regardless, it is a miss. I doesn't cease being a miss because somebody avoids it. That's like claiming a boxer didn't miss a punch because the other guy got out of the way. Come on Froth lol. That is a miss, just like WS missed. Most people don't just stand there in let you shoot them. Most shots are to active moving targets of some kind. He missed more than he hit. It's that simple

Guys, I think you're losing track here and downplaying either WS or DS is silly, they're both badasses, WS overall and DS at making shots. Stupidly downplaying one character to have their favorite win is the way fools like quanchi debate. Debating the positives for who you think wins is the smart approach, imo.

Anyhow, I think we can all agree that WS doesn't have DS's perfect aim. While WS pretty much has every other advantage here.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ignorant fool!

He fired multiple BURSTS at Black Widow during the freeway sequence...they all missed.

He didn't hit her until they were well away from the freeway...

Correct. He missed her in that one part where they traded fire back and forth. So is that it? Is that your example of missing LOTS?

Oh and hitting moving targets that aren't actively dodging or ducking gunfire is not a great feat. Majority of action movies have this kind of feats. Heck, almost every zombie movie have this feat.

My point here is not to prove that WS is a better shot than DS, just that WS is just as capable of hitting a non moving target at 100m as DS is.