Originally posted by FrothByte
Your dodging the question. If Pacquiao hadn't fought Dela Hoya before and was only going to fight him after he already fought Mayweather. Would you then say that Pacquiao will probably miss a lot because he had a hard time hitting Mayweather?If a boxer launches a punch and the opponent blocked that punch, the aggressor didn't miss, his punch just got blocked.
And if a boxer launches a punch but the opponent ducked out of the way, yes that's a miss but it's a miss attributed to how good the defensive skills of the dodger is as compared to how bad the aim is of the puncher.
In this case, LOM keeps insisting that WS has crappy aim, what I'm trying to say is that him missing is simply due to the defensive capabilities of his targets.
Problem is, like it or not, it's still considered a miss. For all I care it could've been very stinky fart in the air that through off his aim, doesn't matter. He missed. Just as you said, if a boxer throws a punch and a fighter dodges it, it is considered a miss. Plain and simple.
I don't understand your question though. I makes next to no sense, nor it is applicable. In either case, Pac will miss punches, whether it be against Hoya or Mayweather. He'll miss, and that is the entire point here. LOM was factual when he said he's missed more than he's landed. He unquestionably has. You can call it skill of his foe, you can call it poor lighting, call it what you want... he missed his target.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Problem is, like it or not, it's still considered a miss. For all I care it could've been very stinky fart in the air that through off his aim, doesn't matter. He missed. Just as you said, if a boxer throws a punch and a fighter dodges it, it is considered a miss. Plain and simple.I don't understand your question though. I makes next to no sense, nor it is applicable. In either case, Pac will miss punches, whether it be against Hoya or Mayweather. He'll miss, and that is the entire point here. LOM was factual when he said he's missed more than he's landed. He unquestionably has. You can call it skill of his foe, you can call it poor lighting, call it what you want... he missed his target.
You know what, forget it. You're going to strawman the hell out of this and sideline the topic. Heck, let's stop debating about what constitutes a miss or not. It doesn't address the point I was originally debating. The original point I was trying to make was that WS didn't have bad aim.
So let me pose a clearer question: Do you think WS has bad aim? Do you think that if his targets were stationary targets that he would still have missed them?
What I think is, he missed most of his shots. That is what I think. Sure, some of those shots were against skilled foes, cool. Nobody says he has bad aim, however in a contest that pits to guys with guns, against one another, I'll go with the guy who rarely if ever misses. That would be my choice. That doesn't make WS a crappy shot, but it makes him inferior to somebody he's going up against here
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What I think is, he missed most of his shots. That is what I think. Sure, some of those shots were against skilled foes, cool. Nobody says he has bad aim, however in a contest that pits to guys with guns, against one another, I'll go with the guy who rarely if ever misses. That would be my choice. That doesn't make WS a crappy shot, but it makes him inferior to somebody he's going up against here
So do you think DS would have hit Captain America if he replaced WS's role?
Originally posted by FrothByte
So do you think DS would have hit Captain America if he replaced WS's role?
I'm a little unclear on what you're getting at. I don't think you understand my point. Deadshot doesn't really miss, that is his thing. Doesn't matter who's in the fight. He still has his awesome aim. Now, sure, some might be able to dodge his fire better than other and negate said aim. Who knows if Cap could do better, I have no idea. He's superior to Bucky is most every essential way, so who's to say. What I do know is, Bucky losses here
Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough, as i said I'd have to watch again.As I said, wasn't a downplay of WS as I've noted he's very formidable, just that DS would have killed Fury in the same scene since he has 100% accuracy and can make headshots with ease.
No worries. Have you watched SS yet? Curious what you think.
Watching it this weekend. Finally found the time (after a few rescheduling that'll make the week after very busy). Hoping it's still in cinemas by then.
Like Froth said. Most ppl here are fine with ppl saying that DS would win. It's the constant downplaying of WS's aim that gets annoying. WS has legit elite aim. As evidenced of him shooting thru a wall to get to Fury. The distances involved is not too difficult for an elite marksman
If anyone would take the time to analyze the "misses", one would realize that some of them were tactical in nature (from where I am standing several of the salvos he fired at BW were suppressive fire, not aimed shots) or defended against by his opponents (Cap).
Shooting thru a wall isn't just aim, tho. It requires a level of spatial recognition that would be beyond most people (he hit 3 shots center mass). I would think DS would need to demonstrate "feats" similiar to that in order to warrant the same capability.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Watching it this weekend. Finally found the time (after a few rescheduling that'll make the week after very busy). Hoping it's still in cinemas by then.Like Froth said. Most ppl here are fine with ppl saying that DS would win. It's the constant downplaying of WS's aim that gets annoying. WS has legit elite aim. As evidenced of him shooting thru a wall to get to Fury. The distances involved is not too difficult for an elite marksman
If anyone would take the time to analyze the "misses", one would realize that some of them were tactical in nature (from where I am standing several of the salvos he fired at BW were suppressive fire, not aimed shots) or defended against by his opponents (Cap).
Shooting thru a wall isn't just aim, tho. It requires a level of spatial recognition that would be beyond most people (he hit 3 shots center mass). I would think DS would need to demonstrate "feats" similiar to that in order to warrant the same capability.
Just so I am clear...
I am not saying that, in absolute terms, Winter Soldier has a bad aim...
What I am saying is that Winter Soldier has a bad aim compared to Deadshot...
Obviously Winter Soldier has an excellent aim; he's well trained and has superhuman physical stats...
But Deadshot is on another level when it comes to aiming ability...plain and simple.
Deadshots feats bare this out many times over...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Just so I am clear...I am not saying that, in absolute terms, Winter Soldier has a bad aim...
What I am saying is that Winter Soldier has a bad aim compared to Deadshot...
Obviously Winter Soldier has an excellent aim; he's well trained and has superhuman physical stats...
But Deadshot is on another level when it comes to aiming ability...plain and simple.
Deadshots feats bare this out many times over...
Let's take DS out of the equation.
Do you think WS would miss a target at 100m when the target is mostly stationary and has no cover?
Right, I never said he had bad aim. In fact, above I said he had good AIM. He's a damn elite soldier himself. With him though, his intelligence holds him back, and that can affect your aim in certain situations. He's just like a brute, a skilled one mind you, but he's as dumb a dirt by now. Anyways, the point is, he's going against a guy who doesn't really miss. I'll take that over a dude who has (insert the 1000 different reasons you want here) missed shots, and lots of them.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Just so I am clear...I am not saying that, in absolute terms, Winter Soldier has a bad aim...
What I am saying is that Winter Soldier has a bad aim compared to Deadshot...
Obviously Winter Soldier has an excellent aim; he's well trained and has superhuman physical stats...
But Deadshot is on another level when it comes to aiming ability...plain and simple.
Deadshots feats bare this out many times over...
Actually, none of DS's feats in the movie prove that his aim is that much higher than WS. He shot stationary targets in the head. He shot slow moving targets in the head. He made an awesome bounce shot in a place that he had pre scouted and prepared for.
He never shot at a target that was actively trying to dodge around his gunfire or trade fire with a decent shot.
I'm giving DS the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't miss solely on what his file said and what I know of his character. But if I didn't know who he was and based it solely on his movie feats, it wouldn't be really all that.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, none of DS's feats in the movie prove that his aim is that much higher than WS. He shot stationary targets in the head. He shot slow moving targets in the head. He made an awesome bounce shot in a place that he had pre scouted and prepared for.He never shot at a target that was actively trying to dodge around his gunfire or trade fire with a decent shot.
I'm giving DS the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't miss solely on what his file said and what I know of his character. But if I didn't know who he was and based it solely on his movie feats, it wouldn't be really all that.
Bullsh!t...
Not only did Deadshot shoot stationary targets in the head every single time, every single shot hit the bullet hole in the exact same spot; after having firing over 100 rounds, every single target had perfectly round holes inbetween the eyes...
And he did that to targets at varying ranges with various weapons in rapid successsion...
You are completely out of your mind if you think Bucky showed anything even remotely close to that level of accuracy...
Originally posted by quanchi112
WS faced super soldiers and was in much tougher situations than DS who was brought it just by batman alone.
You are the king of lying by omission...
Batman was only able to bring him in because Deadshot's daughter begged him into stopping...
Besides KMC disagrees with you and agrees with me...read em and weep Mr Sub 500...
Deadshot wins...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderDS shot him prior to and Ds's slow reaction let his shitty little kid get in his way.
You are the king of lying by omission...Batman was only able to bring him in because Deadshot's daughter begged him into stopping...
Besides KMC disagrees with you and agrees with me...read em and weep Mr Sub 500...
Deadshot wins...
Evidence proves WS wipes his ass with DS in a thread to try to get him the win. He still lost.
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