Deadshot vs Winter Soldier...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I accept your concession, and yet again you lost an argument with me per the norm. You claimed that I didn't have ANY points and that none of them were backed up by facts. The point I listed wasn't just some abstract point about birth or what kind of car they drive. It can be a key factor in any combat scenario. Plus I SPECIFICALLY listed it as part of my points that Ozy was superior in. I accept your concession

My concession? Of what, that the only thing you've ever backed up with proof was something that was irrelevant to the debate? I find it funny that you believe bringing up of an off-topic point and then backing it up somehow means you've won a debate.

Incorrect yet again, and I'll correct you yet again. The "points I was bringing up and talking about, were the long list of points that Ozy is WS superior in. They were well known points that the WS side were unable to counter effectively. This was one of them. So when say nobody could counter my points, and you come back with... You made NO points and backed up none with evidence... that clearly makes you wrong. That was one of my points and it was backed up by evidence.

Further, much like Quan, you don't have the slightest clue how intelligence can factor into a fight. That wasn't surprising from a simpleton like Quan, but I thought you might have a clue how intelligence could factor in. It has so many applicable ways they are endless. I'll just cite one example. Ozy would easily deduce that he should take away WS powerful arm and not get hit by this. Much like in real life boxing, you can mostly take away a persons dominate hand by circling in the appropriate direction. Ozy would almost instantly be able to analyze the situation and all his surroundings to give him the best chance to win. WS, not so much. Intelligence can be a very important factor in any fight, even one where you're outgunned. This is the same reason why Luthor can mess with Superman. He's physically his inferior in every way, and exponentially so, yet he's beaten him through intelligence. Now, when you take somebody who's close to WS in some areas and his superior in others... Well... Intelligence can make all the difference in the world.

Post the quotes where people supposedly were arguing that Ozy wasn't generally smarter. Unless of course you specifically mean fighting intelligence, in which case you never backed that up with any proof.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I never said that Cap blocking WS's shots counted as WS missing...

Where are you getting that from?

Well the fact that you keep insisting WS misses a lot, and the only times he didn't hit his target was when shooting Cap and BW, and the only times he didn't hit Cap was because Cap was actively blocking.

but if you don't want to use Cap as an example let's use BW.

If you think that WS not hitting BW because BW was taking cover behind a bus is considered as missing, then by all means DS shooting Batman where Bats has armor is just as much a miss for DS.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
one of my points was that Ozy is vastly more intelligent than Bucky. Do you refute said point and are you claiming there aren't facts to support Ozy being smarter?

Except that it was pointed out more than once that his intelligence advantage won't serve him in the fight unless he had prep. Because genius intellect doesn't automatically translate to being a smart fighter.

By Kt's rationale Thomas Edison could beat up Mike Tyson. What an idiot.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the quotes where people supposedly were arguing that Ozy wasn't generally smarter. Unless of course you specifically mean fighting intelligence, in which case you never backed that up with any proof.

First you'll have to answer whether I actually did prove one of my points and that it wasn't refuted as you claim

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except that it was pointed out more than once that his intelligence advantage won't serve him in the fight unless he had prep. Because genius intellect doesn't automatically translate to being a smart fighter.

Are you really claiming intelligence doesn't serve you in a fight? Do you even realize that a fight is thinking on the fly, and acting and reacting to your foe. All the gameplanning in the world doesn't mean a fight will play out that way. Jesus Froth, stop trying to argue with me for the sake of trying to make a point. Think about any professional sport in existence. Intelligence serves you. You could be the most athletically gifted person in the world, but if your head isn't straight.. what happens? We see it time and time again. Just like we see the most not athletically gifted people use their intelligence to play with, and in some cases surpass, what a more athletically gifted does or accomplishes. You aren't new to sports right? Even combat sports. Intelligence always, helps, it's one of the most important attributes one can have in a fight. If you're able to instantly process information, draw a conclusion and then strategize how to implement said favorable situations... that isn't helpful?

Um again, we actually know he's intelligent fighter, ya know, cause he never had a blow landed on him. Not all of those situations were prep. He didn't prep to fight the comedian, in fact he through away weapons to insta kill him because he wanted a fight. Again, think about the "fight" with Dr. M. sure he prepped for it in a way, and wouldn't have been able to put Dr. M in the position he did without some prep. True. However, he still had to adapt to the situation on the fly. He didn't know what Dr. M would try or do or say. That is part of winning a fight. He won. Again processing of info. He wasn't hit because he's faster than everybody and the peak of what a human can be physically. That's his thing. He's the best. You don't get to that point by not being smart. Do you honestly think somebody like Ozy, the smartest guy on the planet, somehow turns off all he's learned and knows during a fight?? He just goes, yeah, I will block everything out in the mind as I fight. Come on. If Ozy is there he's thinking. Always. Vastly faster and better than WS is thinking.

On the contrary, let's see, WS was hit a great deal of times, sometimes by mere humans no less. He's been wrapped up in holds, albeit somewhat briefly. He was caught in an amateur move by Cap to go to bed. All of that never happened to Ozy. He was never put in holds, hit by a punch or kick, put to sleep. Shit, he never needed to be saved from being killed. His fighting record is okay, it's decent, but what it illustrates is that he's not the smartest fighter around. Nor even the most skilled. When somebody doesn't get hit, or tied up or disarmed or put to the sleep.. yeah I'd say he's the smarter fighter wouldn't you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
By Kt's rationale Thomas Edison could beat up Mike Tyson. What an idiot.

This is why nobody takes you serious. Think about it, nobody is saying a weakling can always beat a stud. That isn't going on in this thread we are discussing shortbus. Ozy is clearly in WS league, he's not Thomas Edison shortbus. He's jumped further and higher than WS ever has. He's reacted faster than Bucky has ever shown to react. Both in arm movement and eye tracking. He's kicked someone farther than WS ever has. There is some dispute on this, but most have concluded they are hard to compare. I think they aren't, but whatever, everybody concedes they are in the ballpark. He's also vastly smarter as we've seen. He's also thrown somebody further than Bucky ever has. That is just some of the things. So all these things point to one thing.. if you wanna call bucky a superman human.. than you'd have to call Ozy that to. Then if we call them the same thing, though there are varying degrees in that, but they are the same league. So no shortbus, that isn't the analogy you described. Don't you get this is why you're laughed at and called the worst debater on here?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First you'll have to answer whether I actually did prove one of my points and that it wasn't refuted as you claim

If you were talking about Ozy being all around smarter, that wasn't a claim anyone disagreed with. if you are talking about fighting intelligence though, you never backed that up. all you did was give your opinion.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you really claiming intelligence doesn't serve you in a fight? Do you even realize that a fight is thinking on the fly, and acting and reacting to your foe. All the gameplanning in the world doesn't mean a fight will play out that way. Jesus Froth, stop trying to argue with me for the sake of trying to make a point. Think about any professional sport in existence. Intelligence serves you. You could be the most athletically gifted person in the world, but if your head isn't straight.. what happens? We see it time and time again. Just like we see the most not athletically gifted people use their intelligence to play with, and in some cases surpass, what a more athletically gifted does or accomplishes. You aren't new to sports right? Even combat sports. Intelligence always, helps, it's one of the most important attributes one can have in a fight. If you're able to instantly process information, draw a conclusion and then strategize how to implement said favorable situations... that isn't helpful?

Um again, we actually know he's intelligent fighter, ya know, cause he never had a blow landed on him. Not all of those situations were prep. He didn't prep to fight the comedian, in fact he through away weapons to insta kill him because he wanted a fight. Again, think about the "fight" with Dr. M. sure he prepped for it in a way, and wouldn't have been able to put Dr. M in the position he did without some prep. True. However, he still had to adapt to the situation on the fly. He didn't know what Dr. M would try or do or say. That is part of winning a fight. He won. Again processing of info. He wasn't hit because he's faster than everybody and the peak of what a human can be physically. That's his thing. He's the best. You don't get to that point by not being smart. Do you honestly think somebody like Ozy, the smartest guy on the planet, somehow turns off all he's learned and knows during a fight?? He just goes, yeah, I will block everything out in the mind as I fight. Come on. If Ozy is there he's thinking. Always. Vastly faster and better than WS is thinking.

On the contrary, let's see, WS was hit a great deal of times, sometimes by mere humans no less. He's been wrapped up in holds, albeit somewhat briefly. He was caught in an amateur move by Cap to go to bed. All of that never happened to Ozy. He was never put in holds, hit by a punch or kick, put to sleep. Shit, he never needed to be saved from being killed. His fighting record is okay, it's decent, but what it illustrates is that he's not the smartest fighter around. Nor even the most skilled. When somebody doesn't get hit, or tied up or disarmed or put to the sleep.. yeah I'd say he's the smarter fighter wouldn't you?

Haven't you learned by now that people don't read your blurbs?
Learn to write lesser paragraphs.

There are different kinds of intelligence. A genius intellect doesn't necessarily translate to fighting smarts. For example, Cap has demonstrated far better tactical sense that Ozy despite Ozy having higher IQ.

This is common sense, I don't know how you can be so ignorant about it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Haven't you learned by now that people don't read your blurbs?
Learn to write lesser paragraphs.

There are different kinds of intelligence. A genius intellect doesn't necessarily translate to fighting smarts. For example, Cap has demonstrated far better tactical sense that Ozy despite Ozy having higher IQ.
This is common sense, I don't know how you can be so ignorant about it.

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

Jesus, nobody is saying you can just be smart and without having other attributes. Show me where I said that. We're talking about Ozy and WS here. We know who we're talking about right? Why would you think me saying something about them, would somehow think you can be a complete noob at fighting but a genius and beat Jon Jones. What on earth made you draw such a dumb conclusion about what I'm saying?

Ozy isn't some lily white flower here who's never been in a fight. We're talking about a dude that displayed supreme skill against the best of his universe. Never getting hit. Yeah, I'd say he's an experienced and skilled fighter here, wouldn't you? So now we're talking about an experienced skilled dude, who also happens to be a genius; and you say, yeah, I don't think him being smart will help him much lol

You then say Cap has displayed better tactical sense than Ozy. How so? I'm curious what you're basing this off of?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

Jesus, nobody is saying you can just be smart and without having other attributes. Show me where I said that. We're talking about Ozy and WS here. We know who we're talking about right? Why would you think me saying something about them, would somehow think you can be a complete noob at fighting but a genius and beat Jon Jones. What on earth made you draw such a dumb conclusion about what I'm saying?

Ozy isn't some lily white flower here who's never been in a fight. We're talking about a dude that displayed supreme skill against the best of his universe. Never getting hit. Yeah, I'd say he's an experienced and skilled fighter here, wouldn't you? So now we're talking about an experienced skilled dude, who also happens to be a genius; and you say, yeah, I don't think him being smart will help him much lol

You then say Cap has displayed better tactical sense than Ozy. How so? I'm curious what you're basing this off of?

Cap has been shown to make battle strategies on the fly. He was even able to beat a more powerful opponent in Spidey. Every strategy that Ozy did was planned beforehand.

Besides, if you've ever been in a real fight you know that there is very little time for thinking. Almost everything boils down to instincts and muscle memory.

Well it seems that this thread, atleast as pertains to the OP, is effectively over...

14-7 is the count...

KMC has spoken...

Deadshot wins...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is why nobody takes you serious. Think about it, nobody is saying a weakling can always beat a stud. That isn't going on in this thread we are discussing shortbus. Ozy is clearly in WS league, he's not Thomas Edison shortbus. He's jumped further and higher than WS ever has. He's reacted faster than Bucky has ever shown to react. Both in arm movement and eye tracking. He's kicked someone farther than WS ever has. There is some dispute on this, but most have concluded they are hard to compare. I think they aren't, but whatever, everybody concedes they are in the ballpark. He's also vastly smarter as we've seen. He's also thrown somebody further than Bucky ever has. That is just some of the things. So all these things point to one thing.. if you wanna call bucky a superman human.. than you'd have to call Ozy that to. Then if we call them the same thing, though there are varying degrees in that, but they are the same league. So no shortbus, that isn't the analogy you described. Don't you get this is why you're laughed at and called the worst debater on here?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Haven't you learned by now that people don't read your blurbs?
Learn to write lesser paragraphs.

There are different kinds of intelligence. A genius intellect doesn't necessarily translate to fighting smarts. For example, Cap has demonstrated far better tactical sense that Ozy despite Ozy having higher IQ.

This is common sense, I don't know how you can be so ignorant about it.

Kt is such an idiot.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap has been shown to make battle strategies on the fly. He was even able to beat a more powerful opponent in Spidey. Every strategy that Ozy did was planned beforehand.

Besides, if you've ever been in a real fight you know that there is very little time for thinking. Almost everything boils down to instincts and muscle memory.

Totally false, and painfully so. Even in real life fights, you're constantly thinking. Your brain is telling you what might be coming, to punch, to kick to do anything. Your brain is processing information the entire fight. That's the whole point. I wouldn't say Cap beat Spiderman. That's like me claiming Parker beat Cap first. He disarmed him from his shield and tied his hands together You don't see me claiming that. Ozy tactfully beating Dr. M beats anything Cap has done strategy wise.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Totally false, and painfully so. Even in real life fights, you're constantly thinking. Your brain is telling you what might be coming, to punch, to kick to do anything. Your brain is processing information the entire fight. That's the whole point. I wouldn't say Cap beat Spiderman. That's like me claiming Parker beat Cap first. He disarmed him from his shield and tied his hands together You don't see me claiming that. Ozy tactfully beating Dr. M beats anything Cap has done strategy wise.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Totally false, and painfully so. Even in real life fights, you're constantly thinking. Your brain is telling you what might be coming, to punch, to kick to do anything. Your brain is processing information the entire fight. That's the whole point. I wouldn't say Cap beat Spiderman. That's like me claiming Parker beat Cap first. He disarmed him from his shield and tied his hands together You don't see me claiming that. Ozy tactfully beating Dr. M beats anything Cap has done strategy wise.

Your brain is functioning because that's how your nervous system is wired which allows your body to move. That doesn't mean that you actually think about every single punch, kick or movement you make.

Only someone who's never been in a fight could be so naive.

Holy shit, this might be the dumbest post I've seen in a long time. Think about what you just said here... Yes, your brain functions to allow you to punch or kick... then you say, you don't have to think to punch... HOLY SHIT. That is borderline retarded. Of course you have to think about punching to punch. You think that takes 1 minute or something, it happens nigh instantly. Think about the idiocy you're saying here... The way you act, you don't have to think to punch... by the logic, in a fight you just go around doing stuff but wouldn't know what was coming. Your body would just start punching and kicking randomly, even if that isn't what you wanted to do. Do you actually believe that? Jesus H. Christ. I refuse to believe you're this dumb. Every punch, every kick was processed, decided and acted. Every single one. You may not look at it as thinking but that is exactly what it is each and every time. Your body doesn't move unless you tell it to move. If you're punching, that is because you don't your body to punch, which in turn means you thought about punching, after all you punched. You've either clearly never been in a fight in your entire life, or you're too stupid to understand that you're actually thinking about every movement you do in a fight. You seem to get caught up in the word thinking. This doesn't imply you're deep in thought. This time of thinking happens almost instantly. You think of an action and your body carries it out. Make no mistake though, you thought it first.